MICHAEL VICK--HOW STUPID IS STUPID?

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For the NFL (or its fans) to then take the law in its own hands by assigning its own punishment would be the very definition of hypocrisy.

The NFL has no right to pretend to be a moral force.

Bullshit. The crime of gambling , alone, is a reason not to allow a player no return ticket to his old place . Gambling is a crime that has , as its victime, the very people who bet on the outcome of a game that may be in the untrustworthy hands of a player like Pete Rose or Michael Vick.

Sports is an entertainment job, Vick is a showman, who, by stepping over the line of thuggery , should not be allowed to count on our collective trust again.

I have a code of ethics in my line of work, a criminal act can result in lifting my license and preventing me from practicing. Same thing with many professions.

I dont think that the market, like Paul Rubesn will touch him except in a minor role.

Hes toast, and ifn he aint, were screwed.

That ole "its only a job argument" is like telling Abe Vigoda in the Godfather that "its only business, nothing personal"

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Sorry Farmerman... I disagree.

Gambling is a crime that threatens to corrupt the sport. A player (coach or ref) by gambling can directly hurt the game.

Cruelty to animals (his specific crime) has absolutely nothing to do with the game of football. The fact that one is cruel to animals doesn't do anything to threaten the integrity of the game (as it were).

No one has answered the question... what jobs should Vick, having served his sentence, be allowed to do. I think veterinarian is out, and I wouldn't want him to be a teacher-- but I fail to see the problem with any job that would not put him around animals or kids.

(Thuggery in football is a way to sell tickets, but that goes to my other point)

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Region Philbis wrote:

i don't see him playing in the NFL again, not with their tough personal conduct rules.

if he wants to play football again, i'm sure the CFL will take him...

That is highly unlikely. At least I hope it is. Canadians are nice... not stupid

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E_BROWN,Then we have (almost) no moral deck, beneath which we wont go.

Dog fighting IS gambling , a criminal form of gambling covered in the felony codes of 48 states. (probably Montana has overlooked it)

Vick has already erned over 35 million counting the percs. I really dont think that hes so stupid that hes pissed that away. I hope hes invested part of his net so he can live comfortably, but as a player returned as one whose "done his penance"

NOT.

Youre entire moral position is based entirely upon Vicks(present) high profile. were he , say, last years Tour de France winner, found guilty of doping, and subsequently banned subject to the outcome of an investigation, which, if the allegation were found to be accurate, youll never hear of a Floyd Landis again. (course he could write a book about being a really big fake Christian moralizing hypocrite ).

I suppose mr Vick could do the same, but I dont really weep for him one tiny tear. Any more than Id weep for Mr Nicki Scarfo in his meat business.

Id really try to get Mr Vick into some kind of anger management program cause hes displayed classic pathology. As far as playing qback again, I think the syndicate of owners will make a decision that will be based upon a "commodity" which is the entire franchise, not a single antisocial player.

Hes spoiled revenue.

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Someone should have clued him in, Mike, they should have said:

"You can beat up your wife as much as you want, but, if they catch you hurting dogs, you will never play again."

Joe(Beat your wife's ass, you get a pass. Bet on a mutt, you are out on your butt.)Nation

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actually its" kill over 60 mutts" in manners that arent considered humane.

Of course we just went an hired Werner von Braun, we didnt try him.
(I think, by Godwins rule, I tangentially just shut this thread down)
Laughing

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Region Philbis wrote:

if he wants to play football again, i'm sure the CFL will take him...

well, not if he's suspended by the NFL.

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Forget about Michael Vick playing in the CFL.

Vick's speed and sprint-out style look ideal for the CFL, but the Falcons quarterback at the centre of dogfighting charges will not be allowed to play in Canada if, as expected, he is suspended by the NFL.

A rule approved by the CFL in the off-season bars clubs from signing players who are under suspension in the NFL.

Ed Sun

He's an entertainer who's likely lost his ticket-pull.

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I'm with Farmer and the others who are saying the same. This guy is scum and I hope someone strings him up by his balls!!!

There are plenty of jobs available for types like him. He'd fit in real good with all the butchers (ex cons & crack heads) at the lobster shop I worked at.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Brandon... I am sure you agree that this guy is going to need to find some sort of job. Telling a man he can never earn a living again is an awfully harsh punishment-- and it is not even good for society.

So you think he is an incurable sadist-- he still needs to work.

If we could find a place where violence and aggression were glorified. If these traits were used to promote business somehow... so that he would be using his sadistic tendencies (and the sadist tendencies of millions of viewers) to contribute something to the economy.

I wonder where we could find a business like this?

Our army does not glorify sadism. If your point is that we ought not to have an army, I disagree.

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Brandon9000 wrote:

Our army does not glorify sadism. If your point is that we ought not to have an army, I disagree.

I think ebrown was referring to the NFL, dumb-ass.

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its allabout money farmer, regardless of morality or equality, our intelligence as a race seems to disappear once you start gettin money.

i really do get tears in my eye thinking about those dogs man, didnt ask to be born, didnt ask to be part of any of that, and yet had so much taken away.

can you imagine being enslaved like that? forced into a ring with another person, given weapons and you either fight to the death or get killed and/or tortured? no affection, no love, no fun, everyday wold be like a nightmare.

jesus christ. you would think they were capable of understanding another living beings suffering, to be able to realise they were inflicting horrendous amounts of pain onto those dogs.

to me, hes on par with someone who would murder a human being, whats to say if his morals are that lax that he wont kill humans? obviously he isnt fit for the gift of life granted to him. hopefully some guy in prison had a pitbull when he was a kid and decides to, you know, take advantage to the fullest when mr vick drops the soap.

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echi wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Our army does not glorify sadism. If your point is that we ought not to have an army, I disagree.

I think ebrown was referring to the NFL, dumb-ass.

You don't need to call Brandon names... but you are right, my point had nothing to do with the army. I was pointing out that the NFL was being hypocritical.

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Sorry, ebrown -- you're right. I just happen to dislike this particular member.

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ehBeth wrote:

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if he wants to play football again, i'm sure the CFL will take him...
well, not if he's suspended by the NFL.

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Forget about Michael Vick playing in the CFL.

Vick's speed and sprint-out style look ideal for the CFL, but the Falcons quarterback at the centre of dogfighting charges will not be allowed to play in Canada if, as expected, he is suspended by the NFL.

A rule approved by the CFL in the off-season bars clubs from signing players who are under suspension in the NFL.

Ed Sun

thanx ehBeth, i wasn't aware of that new rule...

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echi wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Our army does not glorify sadism. If your point is that we ought not to have an army, I disagree.

I think ebrown was referring to the NFL, dumb-ass.

I had only an instant at my job to look at the latest posts and respond. Yes, he is clearly talking about footbal, which also doesn't glorify sadism.

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Ill be willing to bet that he doesnt play again.

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I'm hoping you're right, Farmer!

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Here are Jamie Foxx's very intelligent, thought out comments on the situation:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20414907/

"It's a cultural thing, I think," Foxx said. "Most brothers didn't know that, you know. I used to see dogs fighting in the neighborhood all the time. I didn't know that was Fed time. So, Mike probably just didn't read his handbook on what not to do as a black star.

I know that cruelty to animals is bad, but sometimes people shoot people and kill people and don't get time," Foxx said. "I think in this situation, he really didn't know the extent of it, so I always give him the benefit of the doubt."

IDIOT: He's not going to jail for watching some dog fights in the neighborhood.

Using that logic, I'm going to go rape women, then say I didn't read the handbook. Hopefully my white peeps will stick up for me.

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I reeeeally hope that we're not moving into a place where dogfighting is viewed as a "black man's sport" only. Are we?

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I don't have much tolerance for the whites trying to make it a "black thing", nor do I have much use for the blacks who knee-jerk to a defensive posture because Vick's black.

My view is that people who can 'enjoy' watching dogs tear each others throats out are not right in the head.

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