Hillary to fight vouchers "to her last breath"

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U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., told delegates that she will fight school vouchers "with every breath in my body."

Inner city residents and others most at risk of harm from the NEA and our government schools take careful note. This translates into English roughly as follows:

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I will fight to my last breath to avoid any possibility of your children ever having a decent education.

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I will fight to my last breath to make sure schools get fixed rather than abandoned.

Not every kid can logically get a voucher so some kids will naturally be 'left behind' in those underfunded schools in a voucher program which is why it makes more sense to find out what the problem in the schools are and fix them and keep trying to fix them so that no kid will be left behind in education in truth rather than deceitful gimmicks.

But lets not kid ourselves; the whole reason people like you support vouchers is that you are against public schools in the first place and any money diverted from public schools into vouchers is counted as a good thing from those who are against public schools.

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A lot of the schools are unfixable and the whole world knows that and the NEA is the biggest part of the problem. Moreover even in cases in which public schools still work after a fashion, you have to ask at what cost? If private schools costing half as much could do as good or a better job of educating kids at pre-college levels, then that other half the money should be being saved for the kids' college educations.

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gungasnake wrote:

A lot of the schools are unfixable and the whole world knows that and the NEA is the biggest part of the problem. Moreover even in cases in which public schools still work after a fashion, you have to ask at what cost? If private schools costing half as much could do as good or a better job of educating kids at pre-college levels, then that other half the money should be being saved for the kids' college educations.

The schools are not unfixable; it hasn't really ever been an agenda for any administration; just a lot of hot air talk. All this no child left behind has been one big con job from the get go designed to undermine underprivileged schools. All those test and things are just designed for poorer schools to fail in order to take away tax paying money and divert them to private schools.

Private schools are not accountable for tax payers so they should not get tax payer money; period. Private schools are private just for the purposes of being able to run their schools as they see fit without government looking over their shoulders telling them how to run them. Tax money should not be diverted into unaccountable private schools but should remain in the public schools where there is at least a system of oversight. If we make a system of oversight; then the private schools will not longer be private schools and we will be just wasting money on reinventing the same wheel.

The solution is to get serious about fixing the public schools so that every child will be able to have a quality education.

Education should be a national agenda and public schools should be taken at least as seriously as homeland security. Every child should be assured of having a free education and there should be some kind of system of oversight in place to ensure everything being done the right way with no one being treated in an unfair manner.

Like I said previously; vouchers are inherently unfair because not every child can logically get a voucher and so some children will be left in the school whose funds is being diverted in vouchers so some (most) children will be "left behind." Hillary is right to fight to the death to stop this program and I hope whoever wins the presidency does too.

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I am not crazy about Hillary, but her stance on vouchers is right on the mark, for many of the reasons that revel has already said.

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<well, they don't need me here>

Here here! Revel, nicely said.

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Which kids and why wouldn't they be able to get vouchers?

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Not so much about getting vouchers, but getting around. Some kids don't have the option to get across town to go to school. Many kids with so little cash they can't afford the bus fare. Those too young to walk. Those with physical and mental disabilities.

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So, when Revel says "Like I said previously; vouchers are inherently unfair because not every child can logically get a voucher" what is he talking about?

Now, you seem to refer to the least fortunate kids as not being able to get to use vouchers, and because of that no one else should be able to? Should our schools be dedicated to the lowest common denominator?

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Question is, which and whose kids do you want to sacrifice (by keeping them in failed schools) in the hope that the NEA might someday gets its act together?

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McGentrix wrote:

So, when Revel says "Like I said previously; vouchers are inherently unfair because not every child can logically get a voucher" what is he talking about?

Now, you seem to refer to the least fortunate kids as not being able to get to use vouchers, and because of that no one else should be able to? Should our schools be dedicated to the lowest common denominator?

I am a she.

Vouchers are funded by tax payers; there is simply not enough money to go around to fund every single child in America a voucher to go to a private school so there will be some children left behind in the neglected public schools. Plus if private schools recieve public tax money then they are accountable to the public which makes then not private. Its not rocket science; mcg.

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Not every single kid will need to use a voucher, so that should leave plenty of room for those that do want to.

But, it seems rather ridiculous to say that because EVERYONE can't take advantage of vouchers, NO ONE should.

How could anyone be against parents wanting their children to go to a better school if the local public school is failing to teach and protect their children? Surely even you, Revel, can see that many public schools are failing the children they serve. Especially urban schools.

The amount a voucher would take away from a school's budget would be miniscule at best.

If their are fewer children in the public schools, they will also be able to get more needed attention from the available teachers and staff. Perhaps they could turn it around and make the school a desired place to be eventually.

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what this whole thing actually means is

"I, Gungasnake, hate democraps and KKKlinton and will use any means available to yell it from the rooftops because I obviously think the rest of a2k is too stupid to understand my position from my previous million posts." Laughing

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McGentrix wrote:

Not every single kid will need to use a voucher, so that should leave plenty of room for those that do want to.

But, it seems rather ridiculous to say that because EVERYONE can't take advantage of vouchers, NO ONE should.

How could anyone be against parents wanting their children to go to a better school if the local public school is failing to teach and protect their children? Surely even you, Revel, can see that many public schools are failing the children they serve. Especially urban schools.

The amount a voucher would take away from a school's budget would be miniscule at best.

If their are fewer children in the public schools, they will also be able to get more needed attention from the available teachers and staff. Perhaps they could turn it around and make the school a desired place to be eventually.

Except, what you are really taking away from the schools is money, that they need in order to stay afloat. You are basically advocating abandoning schools financially. They probably won't get much better if you do that.

Cycloptichorn

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The money for a voucher would be a very small amount compared to a schools budget. Unless, that is, a larger percentage of students from a particular school desire to use vouchers in which case it would be obvious that that school had serious problems and would probably need more then just money to help it. Money does not improve a school. A good staff and caring neighborhood does.

I am advocating better education for children. Whether that is the local public school or the local private school.

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revel wrote:

Plus if private schools recieve public tax money then they are accountable to the public which makes then not private. Its not rocket science; mcg.

Private schools that are religious schools always insist that the kids participate in relgious instruction. Do you see a Catholic kid going to a Jewisht Day School and studying Torah? Do you see a Jewish kid going to a Catholic School and learning the Latin/English words for the mass?

I don't! Surprised

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A parent has the right to send his kid to a private school............but not on taxpayers' asses.

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revel wrote:

Vouchers are funded by tax payers; there is simply not enough money to go around to fund every single child in America a voucher to go to a private school ....

My experience has been that private schools always cost some fraction of what public schools do on a per kid basis, usually about a third to about half.

How does that work out to being unaffordable??

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gungasnake wrote:

revel wrote:

Vouchers are funded by tax payers; there is simply not enough money to go around to fund every single child in America a voucher to go to a private school ....

My experience has been that private schools always cost some fraction of what public schools do on a per kid basis, usually about a third to about half.

How does that work out to being unaffordable??

I don't believe for a second that this is actually true.

Cycloptichorn

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Depends on the private school. Some are in the order of $35,000/year. Cool

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