The term in "drug" is meaningless? Huh. When did that happen?
Main Entry: 1drug
Pronunciation: 'dr&g
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English drogge
1 a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication c according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand -- used in the phrase drug on the market
3 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
Doesn't seem at all jingoistic, nor for the simple-minded.
People can drink a beer with dinner and safely drive home. Can't really smoke a doob with dinner and do the same. That some people do not drink in moderation is not really a good example to use. Lots of people do stupid **** all the time.
You posted your opinion ad nauseum on other threads about this so why don't you sit back and spare us your continuing attempt at inflicting your own personal mouth-breathing morality on the rest of us...
...its not so much that you are a unmitigated bore, and you are that to a tee...
...but that you've said it all before.
If you going to hijack this thread as your personal crusade just cut and paste your earlier nonsense and be done with it.
ehbeth...legal ok but taxed? we've enough taxes as it is. the price would double if the govt were involved.
McGentrix wrote:The term in "drug" is meaningless? Huh. When did that happen?
Main Entry: 1drug
Pronunciation: 'dr&g
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English drogge
1 a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication c according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand -- used in the phrase drug on the market
3 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
Doesn't seem at all jingoistic, nor for the simple-minded.
People can drink a beer with dinner and safely drive home. Can't really smoke a doob with dinner and do the same. That some people do not drink in moderation is not really a good example to use. Lots of people do stupid **** all the time.
Is it your implication that the sentence in red offers up some coherent means to differentiate a 'drug' from other ingestibles?
It really doesn't. The factor you leave unaddressed is dosage. Caffeine or nicotine or many other compounds, in sufficient amounts, will have deleterious effects re perception, response, etc even to the point of death. I don't imagine you would bother claiming that alcohol isn't a 'drug' except in reference to cultural biases or legal definitions, themselves a reflection of cultural norms and biases. Of course, we could rewrite your sentence in red but with the joint filled with low grade marijuana and the alcohol portion being a quart of whiskey.
Cannabis increases car-crash risk imagine the statistics were it legal.
I am always baffled by people who say that marijuana should be legalized because it's no worse than alcohol.
That's rather like saying that, since you already have diabetes, you won't mind having malaria too.
Quote:In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning; memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. Mental disorders connected with marijuana use merit their own category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association. These include Cannabis Intoxication (consisting of impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal, and often includes perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delirium (memory deficit, disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; and Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder.
In addition, marijuana use has many indirect effects on health. Its effect on coordination, perception, and judgment means that it causes a number of accidents, vehicular and otherwise.
For further information, you may find the following sites helpful:
* www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/reality/updatejl.html, for information on links between marijuana use and mental health risks.
* www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/mrr/21.96.10.html, for more information on the indirect effects of marijuana on health
* http://www.adf.org.au/drughit, the Australian Drug Foundation's website
* http://marijuananews.com/a_safe_ high_.htm, a reprint of New Science magazine's "Marijuana Special Report: A Safe High?" with commentary
* http://marijuananews.com/claim_four.htm, an article about the similarity of long-term marijuana use's effect on the brain to that of "hard" drugs, with commentary
* www.drugs.indiana.edu/publications/iprc/misc/smokescreen.html, for general information on the health risks of marijuana.
* http://www.health.org, the homepage of the National Clearinghouse on Alcohol and Drug Information, for general information on marijuana.
Excellent references.
Thanks, Mcgentrix
I am not sure that you seem to be grasping what I am saying. I've not said other drugs are not dangerous, nor have I suggested alcohol is not a drug. Alcohol is a drug that can be used in moderation and low quantities and not have any deleterious effects on the body. The same can not be said for marijuana. A single hit (of the good stuff) can make one very impaired. A single hit of even the strongest alcohol will not. Of course there are exceptions and I feel that if I do not mention that, someone will feel it their duty to do so. I am sure a single shot of a fine Scittish whiskey can impair a four year old, I understand that, but that would be illegal, just as marijuana is.
The fact that marijuana is illegal could also explain why there are not vast numbers of studies and accident reports showing the results of impaired motor functions on drivers. Alcohol is legal. One can go to bar, get loaded and drive home.
Cannabis increases car-crash risk imagine the statistics were it legal.
However the researchers said more research was needed to understand how cannabis use was linked to risk-taking behaviour, and how other factors - such as the person also using alcohol - might affect.
Miller wrote:Quote:In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning; memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. Mental disorders connected with marijuana use merit their own category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association. These include Cannabis Intoxication (consisting of impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal, and often includes perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delirium (memory deficit, disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; and Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder.
In addition, marijuana use has many indirect effects on health. Its effect on coordination, perception, and judgment means that it causes a number of accidents, vehicular and otherwise.
For further information, you may find the following sites helpful:
* www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/reality/updatejl.html, for information on links between marijuana use and mental health risks.
* www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/mrr/21.96.10.html, for more information on the indirect effects of marijuana on health
* http://www.adf.org.au/drughit, the Australian Drug Foundation's website
* http://marijuananews.com/a_safe_ high_.htm, a reprint of New Science magazine's "Marijuana Special Report: A Safe High?" with commentary
* http://marijuananews.com/claim_four.htm, an article about the similarity of long-term marijuana use's effect on the brain to that of "hard" drugs, with commentary
* www.drugs.indiana.edu/publications/iprc/misc/smokescreen.html, for general information on the health risks of marijuana.
* http://www.health.org, the homepage of the National Clearinghouse on Alcohol and Drug Information, for general information on marijuana.
Excellent references.
Thanks, Mcgentrix
Jeez, don't you read other people's posts? Or actually click on links before labelling them 'excellent references?'
'cept for the last one, those are all dead links. Great 'references.'
Quote:
I am not sure that you seem to be grasping what I am saying. I've not said other drugs are not dangerous, nor have I suggested alcohol is not a drug. Alcohol is a drug that can be used in moderation and low quantities and not have any deleterious effects on the body. The same can not be said for marijuana. A single hit (of the good stuff) can make one very impaired. A single hit of even the strongest alcohol will not. Of course there are exceptions and I feel that if I do not mention that, someone will feel it their duty to do so. I am sure a single shot of a fine Scittish whiskey can impair a four year old, I understand that, but that would be illegal, just as marijuana is.
The fact that marijuana is illegal could also explain why there are not vast numbers of studies and accident reports showing the results of impaired motor functions on drivers. Alcohol is legal. One can go to bar, get loaded and drive home.
Cannabis increases car-crash risk imagine the statistics were it legal.
The 'good stuff' is akin to high-test alcohol; yes, a single hit will mess you up some if you aren't used to it. I guarantee a single shot of Bacardi 151 or everclear will impair your ability to drive if you aren't used to drinking.
What really kills me is that you say 'One can go to bar, get loaded and drive home.' This is absolutely untrue. One cannot drive home after they have been 'loaded' at the bar. From your link -
Quote:However the researchers said more research was needed to understand how cannabis use was linked to risk-taking behaviour, and how other factors - such as the person also using alcohol - might affect.
Often, cannabis is mixed with alcohol or other drugs. That's a dangerous situation, and one which likely does lead to car accidents. But that doesn't make marijuana solely responsible for the accidents.
I think that you must not have much experience with the drug, in order to claim that one could drive better 'loaded' on alcohol then on cannabis. It's simply untrue.
Cycloptichorn
What really kills me is that you say 'One can go to bar, get loaded and drive home.' This is absolutely untrue. One cannot drive home after they have been 'loaded' at the bar.
No, what you've written is simply untrue. And it belies your inexperience with the subject for you to write such things.
The earlier article full of dead links is really nothing more then a propoganda piece cut and pasted from the DHS. There's no supporting evidence to back it up, and I showed already how the main crutch they rested some of their evidence on has turned out to be untrue in an earlier post.
You cannot go to a bar, get loaded, and drive home. You will probably hurt someone. What you have said is completely untrue.
I rarely drink alcohol at all these days - primarily because of the undesirable side effects, which marijuana does not produce.
Cycloptichorn
joefromchicago wrote:I am always baffled by people who say that marijuana should be legalized because it's no worse than alcohol.
That's rather like saying that, since you already have diabetes, you won't mind having malaria too.
More along the lines of if one already eats bacon then why not have eggs, too?
kuvasz wrote:You posted your opinion ad nauseum on other threads about this so why don't you sit back and spare us your continuing attempt at inflicting your own personal mouth-breathing morality on the rest of us...
Given that this is about the hundredth thread on the legalization of marijuana, I expect that there will be a lot of long-time members here who will post essentially the exact same arguments that they've posted in the other ninety-nine marijuana threads. I suppose you'd prefer it if everyone just posted "ditto?"
kuvasz wrote:...its not so much that you are a unmitigated bore, and you are that to a tee...
Whatsamatta, kuv, somebody take away your coffee?
kuvasz wrote:...but that you've said it all before.
Well, I'm glad at least one person was paying attention.
kuvasz wrote:If you going to hijack this thread as your personal crusade just cut and paste your earlier nonsense and be done with it.
My post was directly on point. I'll leave it to others to decide if I was hijacking the thread.
Oh, good grief. What do you do, dress up in your Judge Dread pajamas at home and shout "I am the Law!"
When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927.....