OssoB, thanks for doing that.
High Seas wrote:Quote:..... Interfering with the duties of a crewmember violates federal law.
Federal Aviation Regulations 91.11, 121.580 and 135.120 state that"no person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated."
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# The repercussions for passengers who engage in unruly behavior can be substantial. They can be fined by the FAA or prosecuted on criminal charges.
# As part of the FAA's Reauthorization Bill (April 16, 2000) the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. ........One incident can result in multiple violations.
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/passengers_cargo/unruly_passengers/
Makes sense then why the pilot were turn the plane around upon hearing that Penland threatened the flight attendant. But the fact that she wasn't arrested says that maybe there was no threat, or at least there was no corroboration of one.
It looks like we're going to be hearing/seeing/experiencing a lot more about flight delays and their effects.
2007 Is Predicted To Be The Worst Summer Yet For Flight Delays
A colleague of mine who got stuck in New York last week told me that the desk agent said it was a result of deregulation. Where one airline might have had one large plane going to a particular destination, there are now 3 - 8 smaller planes heading to that same destination now. As a result, one delay snowballs into more and more problems - including cranky kids, parents, and flight crews.
Yes, osso, I hear you, however, unless you've taken flights with small
children, were delayed for several hours (due to airlines fault) and having
had to deal with calming down children, you don't know, you simply don't
know!
And this is only pertaining to this subject matter - mother with tired toddler
in airplane coping with airline delays.
Been there, done it!!
I think most normal, thinking adults, be they childless or parents, can understand unruly or fussy child behaviour as a result of delays or whatever. I don't think being a parent gives us a special understanding of frustrations to kids. All you have to do is think of your own frustrations, look at the kid and multiply the feeling. Perfectly understandable.
Montana wrote:I think we need a time out
I do too, or some type of distraction....
oooohhhh....set, ci....look out the window....see the big plane?
say "bye bye plane.....bye bye"
You would think so, Mame, but there are some folks who object to toddlers
being "fussy" in planes.
This got lost about five pages back, so I'll re-post it (with a slight edit):
Let's suppose that the flight attendant in this episode was childless. Was she qualified to make the decision she made? If it was the kid's behavior that first made her aware of a possible problem, should she have called in a member of the flight crew who was a parent to deal with the situation?
The flight attendant was not qualified to suggest Benadryl for the toddler!
Well, I'm confused now. Were they thrown off because the kid was fussy or because the mom was a perceived threat?
If the former, then the flight attendant was out of line, in my opinion. Pretty severe reaction to a bit of noise (or whatever it was), and greatly inconveniencing everyone else on the plane.
If the latter, why wasn't she arrested?
Mame, That's the problem with trying to resolve this issue; not enough information to decide who was right or wrong.
Cut and paste from the first page:
ATLANTA - A woman said she and her toddler son were kicked off a plane after she refused a flight attendant's request to medicate her son to get him to quiet down and stop saying "Bye bye, plane."
Kate Penland, of suburban Atlanta, said she and her 19-month-old son, Garren, were flying from Atlanta to Oklahoma last month on a Continental Express flight that made a stop in Houston.
As the plane was taxiing in Houston en route to Oklahoma, "he started saying 'Bye, bye plane,' Penland told WSB-TV in Atlanta. The flight attendant objected, she said.
"At the end of her speech, she leaned over the gentleman beside me and said, 'It's not funny anymore. You need to shut your baby up,'" Penland told WSB-TV in Atlanta.
When Penland asked the woman if she was joking, she said the stewardess replied, "You know, it's called baby Benadryl."
"And I said, 'Well, I'm not going to drug my child so you have a pleasant flight,'" Penland told the TV station.
Penland said other passengers began speaking up on her behalf, and the flight attendant announced they were turning around and that Penland and Garren were going to be taken off the plane.
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In my opinion, this was an over-the-top reaction. If I had been one of the pilots, I think I would have told the Flight Attendant to get back to work and quit harrassing the travellers.
CalamityJane wrote:Yes, osso, I hear you, however, unless you've taken flights with small
children, were delayed for several hours (due to airlines fault) and having
had to deal with calming down children, you don't know, you simply don't
know!
And this is only pertaining to this subject matter - mother with tired toddler
in airplane coping with airline delays.
Been there, done it!!
Passenger cabins on aircraft are NOT psychiatric wards. Read the entire passage on link posted previously:
Quote: FAA Enforcement Actions
Violations of 14 CFR 91.11, 121.580 & 135.120
"Unruly Passengers"
Calendar Years 1995-2007 Year Total
1995 146
1996 184
1997 235
1998 200
1999 226
2000 251
2001 299
2002 273
2003 281
2004 304
2005 203
2006 131
2007 33 as of June 7, 2007
General notes
* Interfering with the duties of a crewmember violates federal law.
* Federal Aviation Regulations 91.11, 121.580 and 135.120 state that"no person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated."
* The FAA's database contains only those incidents reported to the FAA. Reporting is at the discretion of the crewmember
* Security violations are excluded. Those cases are handled by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).
* Updated numbers are posted on this web page quarterly.
* The repercussions for passengers who engage in unruly behavior can be substantial. They can be fined by the FAA or prosecuted on criminal charges.
* As part of the FAA's Reauthorization Bill (April 16, 2000) the FAA can propose up to $25,000 per violation for unruly passenger cases. Previously, the maximum civil penalty per violation was $1,100. One incident can result in multiple violations.
Updated June 25, 2007
joefromchicago wrote:Let's suppose that the flight attendant in this episode was childless. Was she qualified to make the decision she made? If it was the kid's behavior that first made her aware of a possible problem, should she have called in a member of the flight crew who was a parent to deal with the situation?
Anyone actually want to attempt to answer these questions?
Yes, High Seas, that's the third time now, you've posted the same thing,
it just doesn't get better, no matter how often you repeat it.
Mame wrote:Cut and paste from the first page:
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In my opinion, this was an over-the-top reaction. If I had been one of the pilots, I think I would have told the Flight Attendant to get back to work and quit harrassing the travellers.
You would have had your pilot's license yanked in no time flat, Mame.
