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Congratulations, House Republicans!

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 03:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Everyone keeps calling it an EO. It isn't. It was simply a directive to an executive branch department. Under the US Constitution, the President is in charge of all the executive branches. There is a good explanation here concerning his actions in 2011:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/perspectives/president%E2%80%99s-discretion-immigration-enforcement-and-rule-law

Quote:
The President, in order to respect the rule of law in exercising prosecutorial discretion, must make sure that discretionary decisions to apply enforcement priorities are uniform, predictable, and nondiscriminatory. One permissible approach is to adopt prosecutorial discretion guidelines, as the Obama administration did in 2011. The DACA program reflected a decision—fully within the President’s legal authority—to go beyond mere guidelines to adopt a formal process for ensuring that the priorities were carried out consistently, predictably, and without discrimination. Likewise, the President has the legal authority to extend temporary administrative relief to a wider circle of noncitizens, as long as he is exercising his discretion to administer enforcement priorities.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 03:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The only thing that matters is the scope and content of the EO. If content and scope don't matter, then it is just a piece of paper with a signature.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 03:45 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

The only thing that matters is the scope and content of the EO. If content and scope don't matter, then it is just a piece of paper with a signature.


Baldimo...it is almost impossible to argue with you on something regarding Obama. You are allowing your strongly negative feelings for him to distort your assessments of what he is doing.

That is your right. Like I said, I felt almost the same rage when Reagan was polluting this country...and I did feel the same rage when the two Bushes were doing that.

I was over-the-top back then...you are over-the-top now.

Or at least, that is the opinion I want to share.

We are never going to close the gap in our thinking in this area...so...

...any entertaining shows you are watching on TV these days.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 04:12 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

The only thing that matters is the scope and content of the EO. If content and scope don't matter, then it is just a piece of paper with a signature.

I see. It doesn't matter that you are completely wrong about calling it an EO. Since Obama never did an EO aout this, it kind of makes your argument meaningless other than you want to continue proving you don't understand the content and scope of the matter.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 04:25 pm
@parados,
EO or EA (executive authority), Obama is doing something he can't legally do. The President can't grant SS cards or allow illegals to work in the US, the most he can do, he has already done. He changed deportation standards in his previous EO or EA, which he is allowed to do. Granting ID cards and work permissions is creating law.

It doesn't matter what he or you call it, he over stepped his legal power. A judge recognized this and put his orders on hold.



parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 04:37 pm
For all who are interested, this is an explanation of the DAPA process which Obama wants implemented.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/guide-immigration-accountability-executive-action

The explanation includes a link to the WH memorandums.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 04:59 pm
@parados,
Quote:
For all who are interested,


If you are interested in how our laws are being used to destroy the Constitution, take a look.

It is called lawfare where laws are stretched and twisted in a detrimental way to the system our founders established.

Parados will feed you this garbage daily.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 05:04 pm
@Baldimo,
So if any other President granted ID cards or work permission that would be illegal too?

In 1990, George Bush granted work permission to those he prevented from being deported. The Senate had passed a bill that prevented deportation and granted work permits which the House never voted on. Bush implemented that bill and then a few months later Congress again voted on and passed the legislation.

In 1987, Reagan prevented the deportation of children. Those children all attended US schools.

The judge didn't recognize any overstepping of his power. The judge issued an injunction which is not a ruling on the merits. But obviously you haven't read the case because the judge specifically says it has nothing to do with any executive action by Obama.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1668185-hanendapadaca.html#document/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 05:13 pm
@parados,
Quote:
So


Double talk and bullshit. This is not a forum full of shills and lawyers. Although the average man can understand it amounts to the citizens of this country getting it in the ass.
http://www.alien-earth.com/images/smileys/s1059.gif
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 05:15 pm
Quote:
Before Obama’s promised “fundamental transformation” of America has been completed, this will no longer be an English-speaking nation populated mainly by people of European descent who cherish a heritage of individual liberty. It will be a Third World nation populated by people deliberately imported from the Third World in contravention of the law to displace us. Plans have been laid, and are already being executed:


http://moonbattery.com/?p=55736
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 05:21 pm
Quote:
Judicial Watch Statement on the Potential Violation of Law in President Obama’s Proposed Expansion of DACA

Quote:

“Judicial Watch calls upon Congress, its committees, or its members to request that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) investigate, analyze, and opine on the following issues:

“Whether Congress has specifically appropriated the funds or has specifically authorized the assessment of fees necessary for the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to implement the plans to extend Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Program (DACA) and establish Deferred Action to Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA);

“To the extent no funds have been specifically appropriated, whether USCIS is using funds appropriated, including any monies raised by fees assessed by USCIS, for a different, designated purpose to fund the implementation the plans to extend DACA and establish DAPA;

“To the extent any funds, including any monies raised by fees assessed by USCIS, are being used to implement the plans to extend DACA and establish DAPA, whether the use of such funds is unauthorized or prohibited.

“Whether USCIS is using property or employees designated for a specific purpose to implement the plans to extend DACA and establish DAPA, regardless of such designation.

“The legal issues involving the improper use of taxpayer dollars are urgent given that the USCIS may have already entered into or imminently will enter into contracts and/or obligations in excess of the amount of government funds available to it – without the authority to do so. This unauthorized spending may be a direct violation of the Antideficiency Act, which makes it a violation of law, with potential civil and criminal penalties, for government officials to spend monies that have not been appropriated by Congress. President Obama’s nullification of immigration law is broad and involves numerous policies in multiple federal agencies, but the center of the storm is in USCIS, where monies are being misspent in ways contrary to the fundamental purpose of that law enforcement agency.”

The Antideficiency Act generally prohibits an officer or employee of the U.S. government from:

making or authorizing an expenditure or obligation exceeding an amount available in an appropriation or fund for the expenditure or obligation; or
involving the U.S. government in a contract or obligation for the payment of money before an appropriation is made unless authorized by law.
31 U.S.C. §1341(a)(1)(A) & (B).

To the extent an officer or employee may be in violation of the Antideficiency Act, Congress mandates that the Comptroller General, the head of GAO, conduct an investigation of the matter. 31 U.S.C. § 712(1) & 31 U.S.C. 717(b). An investigation may be commenced upon request by Congress, its committees, or its members. 31 U.S.C. § 717.


Keep your eye on the levels of intimidation these inspectors will face. Hopefully some will come forward and exdose the corruption that this administration embraces.


http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-statement-on-the-potential-violation-of-law-in-president-obamas-proposed-expansion-of-daca/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=dailycaller
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 07:48 pm
@parados,
Quote:
In 1990, George Bush granted work permission to those he prevented from being deported. The Senate had passed a bill that prevented deportation and granted work permits which the House never voted on. Bush implemented that bill and then a few months later Congress again voted on and passed the legislation.

In 1987, Reagan prevented the deportation of children. Those children all attended US schools.


In both of these cases the EO's were based on the passage of the 1986 immigration law. They were not based off nothing, which is what Obama has done. He signed his EO/EA for the dreamers a few years ago and his most recent action was based off his own actions and not actions that took place in Congress. In fact another one of his reasons was due to inaction in Congress. I can understand that aspect of it but that is where delaying or deferring deportation comes in, not granting SS cards and worker status out of thin air.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 09:12 pm
Quote:
Judge To EPA: Stop Lying And Stop Anti-Conservative Discrimination


Will the networks mention this? I doubt it. I have lost count of the lies and outright deceit by this administration and its government agency lackeys.
Quote:

The judge chastised EPA Official Eric W. Wachter for providing, "false information to the court, then the EPA tried to withdraw it on Friday, though never explained how it got things wrong in the first place nor why it waited years to admit it had lied to the court."


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/judge-epa-stop-lying-and-stop-anti-conservative-discrimination

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 09:20 pm
Got ****?
http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server3200/90c91/products/2531/images/5392/hillary_TP__88923.1414098073.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 10:37 pm
She will not be attending Netanyahu speech.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz1onjMIcAAVku9.jpg
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 11:49 pm
@coldjoint,
Right! A legislator who is more interested in protecting U S lives than Jewish lives. A real minority of legislators. I am keeping track of who attends this unamerican speech for purposes of voting in the next election.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 01:08 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
A legislator who is more interested in protecting U S lives than Jewish lives.


Your hate for Jews is showing again.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:22 pm
@coldjoint,
It seems you can't read even if it is a ruling by a judge that you agree with.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:23 pm
@Baldimo,
Actually, no the Obama change was not based on nothing. The judge even addresses the law that was used to make the changes. He quotes it in his ruling.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:28 pm
@parados,
Quote:
It seems you can't read even if it is a ruling by a judge that you agree with.


It seems you wont own up to supporting lawfare, and the destruction of the republic that you are helping with enthusiastically. ******* Shill.
 

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