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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:03 pm
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Reason itself is constant

I'm not sure I'm convinced of that.
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there are only varying degrees of success when attempting it.

Could that be because it's not, in fact, constant?
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I facepalmed myself a) because you suggested that logic itself, which is the core structure beneath all existence as you know it, is ambiguous

if not ambiguous, at the very least, its practical application has to be situational (in my opinion)
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logic itself, which is the core structure beneath all existence as you know it

another statement of which I'm not certain I'm convinced- life experience has taught me that logic is very often sorely lacking in existence as I see or know it.
*not in my existence though - as far as logical people go - I'm fairly logical- certainly logical enough to know that it's a matter of personal preference what someone chooses to name their child- and therefore none of my business.

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b) because you committed that horrific equivocation, without even knowing that you had done so.

No, I knew that I'd be lambasted for that- but what is 'reason' other than that which seems rational'?

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Reason, as used in this article, refers to mental faculties that generate or affirm propositions, by activities of the mind such as judging, predicting, inferring, generalizing, and comparing.

How can that be constant?
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:44 pm
aidan wrote:

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Reason itself is constant

I'm not sure I'm convinced of that.
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there are only varying degrees of success when attempting it.

Could that be because it's not, in fact, constant?
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I facepalmed myself a) because you suggested that logic itself, which is the core structure beneath all existence as you know it, is ambiguous

if not ambiguous, at the very least, its practical application has to be situational (in my opinion)
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logic itself, which is the core structure beneath all existence as you know it

another statement of which I'm not certain I'm convinced- life experience has taught me that logic is very often sorely lacking in existence as I see or know it.
*not in my existence though - as far as logical people go - I'm fairly logical- certainly logical enough to know that it's a matter of personal preference what someone chooses to name their child- and therefore none of my business.

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b) because you committed that horrific equivocation, without even knowing that you had done so.

No, I knew that I'd be lambasted for that- but what is 'reason' other than that which seems rational'?

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Reason, as used in this article, refers to mental faculties that generate or affirm propositions, by activities of the mind such as judging, predicting, inferring, generalizing, and comparing.

How can that be constant?


That 's like saying that TODAY 4 x 5 = 20,
but tomorrow we expect 4 x 5 = 23.
I have my doubts.





David
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:53 pm
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That 's like saying that TODAY 4 x 5 = 20,
but tomorrow we expect 4 x 5 = 23.
I have my doubts.

As I've said before - and on this very thread in fact - I hold mathematical logic and reasoning separate from individual subjective 'reason' which is and can only be applied based on perceptual input - which in fact DOES vary from person to person from moment to moment.

Even the ability to reason within the same person is not constant.
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 12:13 am
aidan wrote:

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That 's like saying that TODAY 4 x 5 = 20,
but tomorrow we expect 4 x 5 = 23.
I have my doubts.

As I've said before - and on this very thread in fact - I hold mathematical logic and reasoning separate from individual subjective 'reason' which is and can only be applied based on perceptual input - which in fact DOES vary from person to person from moment to moment.

Even the ability to reason within the same person is not constant.

Reason does not change;
the logic of relationships among the facts remains constant
so long as those fact do. The quality of human analyses is variable & unpredictable.
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 01:12 am
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Reason does not change;
the logic of relationships among the facts remains constant
so long as those fact do.

and when the facts change? Carry that thought out to it's logical conclusion.

Is there a standard equation for how to arrive at what constitutes logic or reason (outside of mathematics)?
Is there a standard deviation to determine if/or and to what extent logic has been employed in arriving at an acceptable version of 'reason'?

In my mind, even the original signature: 'One cannot argue with someone whose original beliefs are not arrived at through reason' (I'm paraphrasing) is the antithesis of reason by your definition- those are the only things you CAN argue - if reason is indeed constant.
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 01:19 am
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Reason does not change;
the logic of relationships among the facts remains constant
so long as those fact do.

that sounds like the mathematical definition of proportion to me.
(interesting...I've never thought of it that way)
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 03:43 am
You don't understand and obviously don't want to. Don't expect me to teach you. Dave is right, I suggest you listen to him.
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2009 06:31 am
A paedophile who totally got away with it thanks to the American legal system deserves at least a couple of poor taste jokes after his death. At least...

here are mine!

1. Why was MJ like a shopping bag?
He was white, plastic and dangerous for children to play with.

2. What really caused MJ's death?
He choked on 12 year old nuts.

3. What's white, sticky and slides down the playground fence?
Michael Jackson's latest release.
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