@echi,
echi wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:Yes; the question resolves itself down to whether
consciousness depends for its existence upon matter or not.
All of the consciousness that we see around us
is manifested thru matter. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
It is true that all of the consciousness we see is manifested through matter.
And absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but it is still absence of evidence.
Aside from there being a lack of evidence, there is also a lack of any need for alternative
explanations to dreaming, or hallucinations, or something of the sort.
I agree that there is no need, therefor, Echi,
but I will add something to what we have already discussed, to wit:
Part of the paradigm of the experience of death of the deciduous body
is that the consciousness goes on to a Life Review Experience.
(I have not had one of these, that I recall.) In those Life Review Experiences,
the living spirit observes, from a 3rd party perspective,
the events of his incarnate life, qua he is their judge,
by 2 criteria: love and learning.
Some of these people have reported
not only feeling what
thay felt when thay lived thru those incidents incarnate,
but also the effects of their actions upon others; e.g., one Tom Sawyer
reported that he came upon his experience of anger at a traffic collision
at which he slugged the other party to the collision in the mouth
numerous times. During his Life Review Experience, in addition
to feeling the pain in his hand from slugging the guy,
he also felt the pain in his victim's mouth,
but that was not bad enuf: he told of feeling the sadness
of people who were absent from the time and place of the slugging,
like junior who did not get a bike for his birthday because Dad
had to deplete available resources for emergency dental surgery.
As u have correctly pointed out, there is a lack of a need
to know and understand what the future holds for us,
but it is my opinion that people will sometimes consider
their actions with more mercy if thay know that
thay will boomerang back on them. For instance, with that
in mind, some years ago, a court reporter whom I had ordered, Linda,
was late in arriving in court (bad car trouble) to record some depositions.
When Linda arrived, the other stenografers had already
divided up the job, and left her with very little to do.
Linda was very distraught; on the verge of tears.
I did not remonstrate against her qua punctuality, but rather
I sympathized and stashed some cash in her pocket
as a present for her forthcoming wedding.
(About a year later, I had occasion to call her at home,
qua some transcripts, and she told me that she had named her child David.)
Anyway, my point is that if people know that what goes around
comes around, then thay may be affected in their behavioral choices.
(David must be about 24 years old by now.)
David