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OTZI Iceman age at death

 
 
gienny
 
Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 03:44 pm
Since the bible says that men contemporary with Otzi lived to be as much as 900 odd years of age, can tests be done on Otzi to possibly confirm this?
The first argument might be teeth lasting so long but maybe they had more than 2 sets. Or maybe the teeth heeled themselves better somewhat like teeth do today only better.
Rather than getting into a argument about evolution or creation maybe we could study the mummy with an open mind and see what it teaches us.
The finding of the copper axe with Otzi did prove that the bible was accurate as to the time copper was first discovered by man and this discovery alone shows that the bible is a book of facts. Scientist were forced to re-date the copper age with this finding.
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 04:02 pm
Re: OTZI Iceman age at death
gienny wrote:
The finding of the copper axe with Otzi did prove that the bible was accurate as to the time copper was first discovered by man and this discovery alone shows that the bible is a book of facts. Scientist were forced to re-date the copper age with this finding.


It is false that the "Iceman" discovery caused scientists to "re-date" the smelting of copper--that's number one. Number two, it is only interpretive and highly imaginative reading of the Bobble that would lead anyone to claim that scripture has anything to say about when copper was first smelted.

The Wikipedia article on copper wrote:
Copper was known to some of the oldest civilizations on record, and has a history of use that is at least 10,000 years old. A copper pendant was found in what is now northern Iraq that dates to 8700 BCE.


Otzi is thought to have lived and died circa 3300 BCE. That's at a conservative estimate, more than 5000 years after copper is known to have been smelted and used for at least ornamental purposes.

Far from showing that the bible is "a book of facts," what is known about the smelting of copper shows that it is woefully inaccurate. In 1654, Bishop James Ussher said that according to his exegesis, the world was created "after nightfall" on Saturday, October 22, 4004 BCE. (Of course, he used the abbreviation BC.) Since that was more than 4000 years after the latest date at which the copper ornament found in Iraq was made, that pretty well shows that the Bobble is full of horsiepoop.
777manOfTruth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 11:24 am
@Setanta,
All of what you said is based upon the assumption that modern dating science is accurate. There are LOTS of documents which refute modern dating methods, and prove it's inaccuracy.
Personally, I don't have enough "faith" to believe in modern science's dating methods. If anything, science has the worst track record in regards to accuracy and it's ability to produce truth.
As little as 100 years ago, scientists believed they were accurate, and they put their faith in their scientific analysis and theories. Obviously, science has changed a lot since then, and a lot of what they accepted as "fact" then, is now considered nothing but myth and old dis-proven theory.
For thousands of years scientists believed they had the facts. And time and time and time again they are proven wrong by subsequent generations.
How are you so sure we are any different?

Today, modern scientists continue to preach "fact", and portray their theories and methods as "fact". And they have a very convincing set of "facts" to prove their theories.
But what makes you think that today's scientists have reached perfect knowledge?
What makes you think that today's science is not just another link in the history of science that will never be proven wrong?
How do you know that one day, science will discover a new dating method that will disprove all the preceded it?
What makes you think that modern science will not one day be viewed as ancient mythological dis-proven science?
How do you know that one day people won't look back to our day and ask, "Did they really believe that?"
"How could they believe that in the face of ancient documents that plainly said otherwise?"
Just as people were convinced that the world was flat, we are convinced that the world is 6 billion years old. How do you know that one day modern-day science won't be viewed as ancient, long-gone crazy beliefs?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 11:47 am
@777manOfTruth,
I don't take scientific evidence on faith, only bible-thumpers like you peddle that horseshit. However, all that horsiepoop in the bible its expected to be taken on faith--there's not a shred of evidence for any of it, and much of it is flatly contradicted. It's obvious that you know nothing about the methods of naturalistic science. Scientists don't "preach fact." What generally happens is that a scientist publishes her work, and some idiot journalist takes it, warps it into something sensationalistic, and then runs with it. Just like the bible-thumpers do.

If you wand to embrace superstition and believe in fairy tales, help yourself. Don't condemn me because i won't join you.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2013 06:46 am
@777manOfTruth,
777manOfTruth wrote:
As little as 100 years ago, scientists believed they were accurate, and they put their faith in their scientific analysis and theories. Obviously, science has changed a lot since then, and a lot of what they accepted as "fact" then, is now considered nothing but myth and old dis-proven theory.


Why don't you give any examples? Is it because you're frightened that if parts of the Bible are proven to be wrong that means it all is, and you can't face that possibility?

It's like when the Pope made Gallileo retract and say that the Sun went round the Earth not the other way round. If you think that in thousands of years time scientists will prove the Pope right you've seriously lost the plot.
Evolutions
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 12:02 am
@gienny,
Hey.
Ok, they didn't have over two sets of teeth. Otzi didn't have very good teeth either.
Studies show he lived to be middle aged. Some believe he could have been as young as 30, others as old as 55. He actually lived rather long to what everyone else was at the time.
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Evolutions
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 12:05 am
@izzythepush,
With no offense, i please ask you to respect religions. Modern day science can say Otzi lived to become middle aged, someone was wrong, maybe they where right, only Otzi can tell and that's not gonna happen. Pull up some evidence. His evidence is the bible :-).
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 12:21 am
@Evolutions,
Why should we respect religions? I understand respecting people, but ideas? Including bad ones? Why respect them?

Back to the OP:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/misinformation-social-networks_568d7cf5e4b0cad15e63279d?

Quote:
Researchers Map How Scientific Misinformation Spreads On The Internet
Social media can keep people stuck in "echo chambers."


As science advances, bad science does, too. The World Economic Forum has called widespread digital misinformation -- which largely spreads via social media -- one of the main threats to our society.
While online resources make it easier for people to learn about incredible scientific discoveries, social media also facilitates the proliferation of pseudoscience, scientific skepticism and conspiracy theories.
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