The Mounting Threat Of STATE Hate Laws

contrary to popular belief, jesus christ was not a jew..

if you don't believe it, simply put on the last RaHoWa record and play the 4th track backwards.. " j.c. was a good ol' redneck from coeur d'laine "

you could possibly aquire that fine recording from the self proclaimed, blood washed (yuck!) saint that initiated this absurd thread.

paranoia strikes deep, baby

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Setanta wrote:

You have never proven the Mr. Pike is Jewish, and the evidence is very good that he is not.

Evidence? You call exposing the felony crime convictions by a secular organization "the ADL" anti-semitic? Everyone and anyone could be posting his whistle blower articles, even zionists who are against all crimes. The fact you found David Duke's organization copied and posted an article of Pikes doesn't mean anything. Just because you are so quick to say the word "anti-semitic" doesn't make it true, unless perhaps you're the pope or some respectable scholar on the issue which you haven't proven. However for those who just ignorantly go along with whatever you say as if you're the ultimate authority, they should read plenty of Pikes articles that promote all the jews and zionists to be God's true chosen people. (no anti-semites say that). The ADL has proudly authored this hate bill which outlaws any "disorderly conduct" and makes it a felony 3 times over for any one who might have any bias, and they'll have to prove their innocent, not innocent until proven guilty with the new powers this bill would create. Easily you Setana if you had any bias against any group except Christians could land yourself in jail. The only one that will be permitted is all the thousands of shock jocks who build their radio shows on hating & attacking Christianity, Jesus, & all the morals Christians hold dear.

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About Pike, He's pro - jewish on nearly everything, plain and simple, yet who cares he's just a man?
The issues at hand are more important than this one man. You can go to plenty of other sites like http://traditionalvalues.org to read about the hate crimes crisis such as given at this article:

When grandmas go to jail for witnessing

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54125

(worldnet daily is one of the most pro zionist news bureaus there are! Are they anti-semitic too just for opposing this bill written and promoted by the ADL?)

excerpt from WND Article:

"This law also expands "crimes" to include "speech" interpreted as "threats, intimidation and coercion." As long as a "victim" claims the speech makes them "feel" "intimidated," violators will be liable to penalties of $10,000-$25,000 and a year in jail."

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Caped CRUSADER (michael1), admit it, you're a racist aren't you?

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maporsche wrote:

Caped CRUSADER (michael1), admit it, you're a racist aren't you?

Need you ask??? Embarrassed

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au1929 wrote:

maporsche wrote:
Caped CRUSADER (michael1), admit it, you're a racist aren't you?

Need you ask???

No, but I needed to bookmark the thread and noticed that he seems to be delusional about his own nature.

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Given that i don't run around publicly harassing or threatening people because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or religion, it is highly unlikely that i will ever be jailed under the provisions of any hate crime laws. In fact, such a law likely would not pass judicial muster. State laws which allow the "hate" character of another criminal act to be considered in mitigation (negative) of a sentence have passed judicial review. Those which simply make it a crime to express hatred don't pass judicial review.

The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !

-- C. Little, date of attribution unknown

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I can understand why the Nazi boy would be alarmed, though. If such a law were passed, and passed judicial review, it is highly likely that his favorite web sites would be shut down.

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Setanta wrote:

Given that i don't run around publicly harassing or threatening people because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or religion, it is highly unlikely that i will ever be jailed under the provisions of any hate crime laws. In fact, such a law likely would not pass judicial muster. State laws which allow the "hate" character of another criminal act to be considered in mitigation (negative) of a sentence have passed judicial review. Those which simply make it a crime to express hatred don't pass judicial review.

The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !

-- C. Little, date of attribution unknown

Setana Mr. Slanderer, and liar, it is against my beliefs to frequent any websites that promote any form of hate! Unlike you visiting David Dukes site!

It's not hateful words that I'm defending, but when it says "any speech" which can be interpreted to be "coercion" , and where anyone might "feel" "intimidated". Like the 70 and 80 year old grandmas, and little girls who sang hymns and got their arms broken by police officers for singing hymns across the street or reading their bible ANYWHERE in public. It will be like Sweden where Pastors are arrested during the church services for discretely worshiping and reading bible passages.

As laid out on worldnetdaily:

"This law also expands "crimes" to include "speech" interpreted as "threats, intimidation and coercion." As long as a "victim" claims the speech makes them "feel" "intimidated," violators will be liable to penalties of $10,000-$25,000 and a year in jail."

It is funny but true you can thank the republican congress for defeating the phoney hate bill before. Ya remarks such as yours against Jesus, the bible, and Christianity will be allowed unless christians wake up and ask for the same protection under the laws as will be given to everyone else. Wont all that be fun?

Have Christians Become Dupes?
By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
4-9-7
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin361.htm

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/

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That you consider World Net Daily to be a reliable source of valid information does not surprise me--i've long ago determined that you live in fantasy land.

However, your WND article about grandmas going to jail is less than factual.

Quote:

The charges filed against Petitioners arose out of their alleged actions in the nature of "fighting, threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, making unreasonable noise with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof . . . by protesting a gay/lesbian block party, using bullhorns, and yelling offensive messages, thereby obstructing traffic."

That is considerably different than saying someone had been arrested for "witnessing," unless you have a damned strange definition of witnessing. Furthermore, the charges were dismissed:

Quote:

Although the charge of Ethnic Intimidation filed against Petitioners were ultimately dismissed, Petitioners aver that they intend to engage in exactly the same kind of activity that led to the filing of a charge of Ethnic Intimidation against them in Philadelphia and reasonably fear that they will be criminally charged again under the Act.

Whether or not WND is to be considered "pro-Zionist" has absolutely nothing to do with a bunch of crackpot Christians who protested a gay and lesbian party, so comments about anti-semitism are a red herring.

The source i have used for the incident which was so falsely portrayed at WND is the text of the petition by those arrested requesting a review of legislation in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, naming the Governor, the Speaker of the Pennsylvania House, the President Pro Tempore of the Pennsylvania Senate, and the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

The text of their petition can be read here.

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By the way, i think it's a shame those idiot grandmothers were not charged with and convicted for disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance.

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Setanta wrote:

By the way, i think it's a shame those idiot grandmothers were not charged with and convicted for disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance.

hi set. can ya just imagine the hoopla that would arise if you or i were to walk into their church and share our beliefs with the congregation ?

code blue, swat and an army of righteous "trial lawyers" led by jay sekulow would not be surprising.

"people of faith" have always had a place to "share their faith". these places are known as churches, mosques, temples and such. in fairness to these people and respect for their beliefs, i don't go there and insist that they listen to what i believe.

i don't think that it's unfair, or an attack on them, to expect that they respect others by not harassing me, and other "non-believers" with their message.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Setanta wrote:
By the way, i think it's a shame those idiot grandmothers were not charged with and convicted for disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance.

hi set. can ya just imagine the hoopla that would arise if you or i were to walk into their church and share our beliefs with the congregation ?

code blue, swat and an army of righteous "trial lawyers" led by jay sekulow would not be surprising.

"people of faith" have always had a place to "share their faith". these places are known as churches, mosques, temples and such. in fairness to these people and respect for their beliefs, i don't go there and insist that they listen to what i believe.

i don't think that it's unfair, or an attack on them, to expect that they respect others by not harassing me, and other "non-believers" with their message.

Good luck in getting any such common sense to sink through the thick skulls of the religiously fanatical.

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Setanta wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Setanta wrote:
By the way, i think it's a shame those idiot grandmothers were not charged with and convicted for disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance.

hi set. can ya just imagine the hoopla that would arise if you or i were to walk into their church and share our beliefs with the congregation ?

code blue, swat and an army of righteous "trial lawyers" led by jay sekulow would not be surprising.

"people of faith" have always had a place to "share their faith". these places are known as churches, mosques, temples and such. in fairness to these people and respect for their beliefs, i don't go there and insist that they listen to what i believe.

i don't think that it's unfair, or an attack on them, to expect that they respect others by not harassing me, and other "non-believers" with their message.

Good luck in getting any such common sense to sink through the thick skulls of the religiously fanatical.

A few months ago I had the fun opportunity to argue with a 'street preacher' blowing nasty remarks through a loud speaker outside the New York Casino in Las Vegas. He was preaching against prostitution, pre-marital sex, gambling, etc, etc. He pointed me out while walking down the street (he referred to my shirt, so I know he meant me) and suggested that I was going to burn in hell because I was spending my time in a casino drinking/gambling instead of at his church. I, being a little drunk, took him up on his challenge and spouted some hateful remarks back. I probably sounded like a drunk moron, but it was still fun. I wish he had caught me when I was sober.

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ya probably made his day.. Very Happy

and that's what i'm talking about. there ya are, mindin' your own business and .. boom! "yoooor gonna burnnnn in hayyyy-ulllll!!!".

and that's held up as "sharing of faith". covered by the first amendment and under strict constructionism (whatever the hell that really means ...

but if you or i were to set up a soapbox on the sidewalk of a place of worship with a blowhorn and be goin' off like " sex, drugs and rock n' rolllll, baby!! " or whatever..

now that's not free speech. that is "attacking people of faith".

what a line of horsey poop.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

ya probably made his day..

and that's what i'm talking about. there ya are, mindin' your own business and .. boom! "yoooor gonna burnnnn in hayyyy-ulllll!!!".

and that's held up as "sharing of faith". covered by the first amendment and under strict constructionism (whatever the hell that really means ...

but if you or i were to set up a soapbox on the sidewalk of a place of worship with a blowhorn and be goin' off like " sex, drugs and rock n' rolllll, baby!! " or whatever..

now that's not free speech. that is "attacking people of faith".

what a line of horsey poop.

Yeah, I'm sure I made his day. He probably ended up winning the 'argument' because I wasn't at my best. It's pretty unfair to be attacking people who are at a disadvantage anyway, isn't there some rule against that sort of thing. I mean he had a loud speaker, which already puts the other person at a disadvantage, then he's doing this at 11:00 at night when most of LV is pretty drunk or at the very least have had a few. Alcohol puts people at an intellectual disavantage.

I've since stopped drinking because of how upset I was at not being able to take full advantage of this encounter.

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And just so it's clear, I didn't approach this guy. I wasn't attacking him. And I would never challenge someone who I didn't know what up for the challenge as this guy was doing.

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Here is probably one of the best reads on the subject. Covering many important definitions quite well, such as "Is bias hate?" You'll be shocked to learn what the FBI & ADL classifies as hate.

http://hatelawsexposed.org/articles.htm

Dont forget the ADL's Major Crime Convictions, They would have been shut down long ago if weren't backed by some of the most powerful tyrant billionaires on the planet. What is more amazing is how they're the major author of this coming tyrannical phony hate bill!

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Hate law Sex Posed.

You should be ashamed of yourself michael promoting "posed sex" sites.

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