Who resurrected Jesus?

Like I said, Rex. The Jewish day started in the evening, ater sundown. Jesus died on the same day that he instituted the New Covenant, before the next sundown. The following day was the sabbath and he was resurrected on the next. Jesus was dead for parts of 3 days. But is this a contradiction? Didn't Jesus say he would be dead 3 days and 3 nights? The following is quoted from Insight on the Scriptures

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Terry wrote:

real life wrote:
There is nothing in the NT that says He was crucified on Friday.

He was crucified on the day before the first day of Passover.

He was placed in the tomb shortly before evening as the Passover (The first of Passover being a sabbath, often also referred to as a 'high Sabbath' or 'high Day') was about to begin.

No, Jesus was not crucifed before Passover:

Mark 14 wrote:
1Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him. 2"But not during the Feast," they said, "or the people may riot."

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12On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"
13So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 15He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there."

He ate the Passover meal with his disciples and was crucified the following day:

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Mark 15:42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body. 44Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all agree that Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Sabbath, which was Friday afternoon (the Sabbath starts at sunset Friday), and was gone from the tomb by dawn on Sunday. His body could not have been in the tomb very long before sunset Friday (figuring time to get permission to take the body, prep and transport time), and we don't know how early on Sunday he was resurrected - it could even have been Saturday evening. He certainly was not in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, and might possibly have spent little more than 1 day and 1 night there.

The NT refers to the sabbath that was to occur the day after Jesus' death as 'a high day', not a routine weekly sabbath, and as the day before the 'high day' as 'preparation day' , not a term used for an ordinary Friday. But this was the day he was crucified.

And if He died shortly before sundown on Friday and rose early Sunday, then when did the women have the opportunity to travel back to the city (on foot, they didn't drive), purchase spices, transport them home and prepare them (not a 'shake n bake' process in those days) BEFORE resting on the sabbath, as the gospel account indicates?

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neologist wrote:

Like I said, Rex. The Jewish day started in the evening, ater sundown. Jesus died on the same day that he instituted the New Covenant, before the next sundown. The following day was the sabbath and he was resurrected on the next. Jesus was dead for parts of 3 days. But is this a contradiction? Didn't Jesus say he would be dead 3 days and 3 nights? The following is quoted from Insight on the Scriptures

Neo,

That might be the case if the Bible had said three days only but it specifically says three days and three nights. There is another answer rather than to "fix" time. I will get back to you on this with more precice info.

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Also you only addressed one of my points.

You don't explain how Jesus could be the passover lamb and not have been slain prior to passover...

1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

also

1Pe 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

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Read Exodus 12:6, Rex. Jesus instituted the covenant and died on the 14th day of the month, as prescribed.

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neologist wrote:

Read Exodus 12:6, Rex. Jesus instituted the covenant and died on the 14th day of the month, as prescribed.

The selection of the lamb was on the 10th of Nisan [Abib], the passover sacrifice was on the 14th of Nisan and the passover meal was on the 15th of Nisan.

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The Jews still celebrate the Passover on the 14th.

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neologist wrote:

The Jews still celebrate the Passover on the 14th.

The tenth of Nisan was the weekly sabbath and the selection of the lamb which was Jesus' second entry into Jerusalem.

The passover sacrifice happened on Nisan 14 corresponding to our Tuesday night and extending to dusk Wednesday.

The passover feast would have to be consumed sometime between dusk and midnight on our Wednesday (the 15 of Nisa)] which was a "high day" or "special" sabbath (which took preeminence over the weekly sabbath).

The passover and the feast of unleavened bread overlap and are related.

In Egypt the passover meal had to be consumed before midnight in order for the angel of death to "passover" (the word passover has at least four connotations.) This Wednesday night (Nisan 15) also began three days and three nights which would supply the proper amount of days and nights to land on the weekly sabbath Saturday the 17 of Nisan.

At dusk Saturday(Nisan 17), Sunday (Nisan 18) began, this was when Jesus was "RAISED FROM THE DEAD" and he appeared to the world Sunday morning. So he was theoretically ascending from the grave all night before he appeared to Mary Magdalene in the morning. Why would he be raised in the morning anyway when the morning does not even signify the beginning of a new day but days began at dusk? This alone should have indicated that traditional theology was errant.

So in terms of Biblical numerology, Jesus being raised sometime after dusk Saturday the seventh day of the week signifying completion and spiritual perfection; then on Sunday beginning at dusk the eighth day of the week, (which is the first day of the week) signifying a new spiritual beginning...

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It is very confusing to use the terms Friday, Saturday, etc.. And we have to keep in mind that the Passover meal took place at the beginning of the passover day. Jesus was sacrificed before that day was over.

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neologist wrote:

It is very confusing to use the terms Friday, Saturday, etc.. And we have to keep in mind that the Passover meal took place at the beginning of the passover day. Jesus was sacrificed before that day was over.

Think of it like this Neo, Jesus Christ was sacrificed near the end of one day and in the beginning part of the next day (dusk to midnight) he was the feast.

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Feast? I don't get it?

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neologist wrote:

Feast? I don't get it?

The passover lamb was not only slain on the 14 but consumed on the 15. The last supper foreshadowed the passover event and Pentecost that would soon take place.

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Comment: This event in the upper room, was only a foreshadowing of the pending spiritual event which would soon come to pass.

Just as Jesus foreshadowed the coming of the holy spirit in this recorded event.

John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Comment: The comforter had not come yet... The holy spirit would not come until the day of Pentecost but Jesus still instructed them on how to receive it prior to it's availability.

Galatians 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Comment:
Christian means Christ IN you. This Christ is spiritual seed consumed by faith in the form of the holy spirit. Thus we become the vessel that houses the holy of holies. The perfect sinless body and blood of God's passover Lamb is our redemptive salvation.

Just as passover was performed in remembrance of the Hebrew people escaping death, communion is done in remembrance of Jesus Christ our passover.

The last supper was a foreshadowing of the actual Christian (Christ-in) new birth.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Comment: This is why Christians do not celebrate passover but we observe communion, because Jesus Christ the lamb of God is OUR passover.

The body represents healing to the church and the blood represents liberty and forgiveness of sins.

1Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

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real life wrote:

The NT refers to the sabbath that was to occur the day after Jesus' death as 'a high day', not a routine weekly sabbath, and as the day before the 'high day' as 'preparation day' , not a term used for an ordinary Friday. But this was the day he was crucified.

And if He died shortly before sundown on Friday and rose early Sunday, then when did the women have the opportunity to travel back to the city (on foot, they didn't drive), purchase spices, transport them home and prepare them (not a 'shake n bake' process in those days) BEFORE resting on the sabbath, as the gospel account indicates?

The NT specifically refers to the Preparation Day as the day before the Sabbath, not the Passover. We know that Jesus was not killed on a day of preparation for Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread because he was alive and well on that day and ate the Passover meal with his disciples.

So if you do not think that Jesus died on the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath (Friday afternoon) and we know that he was not killed on the day of preparation for the Passover/Feast, exactly what high day do you think that the Jews preparing for when they killed him?

The women in Mark presumably bought spices after sunset on Saturday. Luke says that they prepared spices and ointments after seeing his body laid in the tomb, then rested on the Sabbath. John says that Nicodemus brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes and they bound the body in linen cloths with the spices before laying it in the tomb. Matthew is silent on the point. The gospels were written decades after Jesus died (Mark was the earliest, around 70 AD). It is not surprising that some of the details are inconsistent.

Christian tradition says that Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected Sunday morning, and the Bible supports that belief. How do Christians who accept that chronology also believe that he was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?

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Reread your bible, Rex. For example, Matthew 26: 21-30 has Jesus eating the Passover meal and instituting the New Covenant. His trial and torture begins in vs. 59

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neologist wrote:

Reread your bible, Rex. For example, Matthew 26: 21-30 has Jesus eating the Passover meal and instituting the New Covenant. His trial and torture begins in vs. 59

There are less discrepancies "scripturally" reckoning the events as I have shown.

I believe the references to the last supper being the actual passover meal are erroneous.

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Terry wrote:

real life wrote:
The NT refers to the sabbath that was to occur the day after Jesus' death as 'a high day', not a routine weekly sabbath, and as the day before the 'high day' as 'preparation day' , not a term used for an ordinary Friday. But this was the day he was crucified.

And if He died shortly before sundown on Friday and rose early Sunday, then when did the women have the opportunity to travel back to the city (on foot, they didn't drive), purchase spices, transport them home and prepare them (not a 'shake n bake' process in those days) BEFORE resting on the sabbath, as the gospel account indicates?

The NT specifically refers to the Preparation Day as the day before the Sabbath, not the Passover. We know that Jesus was not killed on a day of preparation for Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread because he was alive and well on that day and ate the Passover meal with his disciples.

So if you do not think that Jesus died on the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath (Friday afternoon) and we know that he was not killed on the day of preparation for the Passover/Feast, exactly what high day do you think that the Jews preparing for when they killed him?

The women in Mark presumably bought spices after sunset on Saturday. Luke says that they prepared spices and ointments after seeing his body laid in the tomb, then rested on the Sabbath. John says that Nicodemus brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes and they bound the body in linen cloths with the spices before laying it in the tomb. Matthew is silent on the point. The gospels were written decades after Jesus died (Mark was the earliest, around 70 AD). It is not surprising that some of the details are inconsistent.

Christian tradition says that Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected Sunday morning, and the Bible supports that belief. How do Christians who accept that chronology also believe that he was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?

It's not a matter of 'what High day does RL think it was?'

The text says that the Sabbath that fell the day after the crucifixion was a High day.

The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:31

You acknowledge that the text says that the women rested on the Sabbath AFTER having prepared the spices.

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 23:56

But your chronology ('The women in Mark presumably bought spices after sunset on Saturday.') reverses the order. So it is your chronology that is not in agreement with the text.

The details in the text are consistent, but your interpretation is not.

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Conflicting accounts and interpretations of the death of Jesus...whatever next.

You believe it because you have faith, and that faith will overcome all difficulties. But has it never occurred to you that perhaps its your faith which is blinding you to the reality of the story, i.e. that its mythology.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Conflicting accounts and interpretations of the death of Jesus...whatever next.

You believe it because you have faith, and that faith will overcome all difficulties. But has it never occurred to you that perhaps its your faith which is blinding you to the reality of the story, i.e. that its mythology.

True, misplaced "faith" can blind one... faith in the form of human pride and self worship (worship of science) can be just as blinding and defeating to the truth of God.

The point is finding the truth when error is prevalent.

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real life wrote:

Terry wrote:
real life wrote:
The NT refers to the sabbath that was to occur the day after Jesus' death as 'a high day', not a routine weekly sabbath, and as the day before the 'high day' as 'preparation day' , not a term used for an ordinary Friday. But this was the day he was crucified.

And if He died shortly before sundown on Friday and rose early Sunday, then when did the women have the opportunity to travel back to the city (on foot, they didn't drive), purchase spices, transport them home and prepare them (not a 'shake n bake' process in those days) BEFORE resting on the sabbath, as the gospel account indicates?

The NT specifically refers to the Preparation Day as the day before the Sabbath, not the Passover. We know that Jesus was not killed on a day of preparation for Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread because he was alive and well on that day and ate the Passover meal with his disciples.

So if you do not think that Jesus died on the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath (Friday afternoon) and we know that he was not killed on the day of preparation for the Passover/Feast, exactly what high day do you think that the Jews preparing for when they killed him?

The women in Mark presumably bought spices after sunset on Saturday. Luke says that they prepared spices and ointments after seeing his body laid in the tomb, then rested on the Sabbath. John says that Nicodemus brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes and they bound the body in linen cloths with the spices before laying it in the tomb. Matthew is silent on the point. The gospels were written decades after Jesus died (Mark was the earliest, around 70 AD). It is not surprising that some of the details are inconsistent.

Christian tradition says that Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected Sunday morning, and the Bible supports that belief. How do Christians who accept that chronology also believe that he was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?

It's not a matter of 'what High day does RL think it was?'

The text says that the Sabbath that fell the day after the crucifixion was a High day.

The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:31

You acknowledge that the text says that the women rested on the Sabbath AFTER having prepared the spices.

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 23:56

But your chronology ('The women in Mark presumably bought spices after sunset on Saturday.') reverses the order. So it is your chronology that is not in agreement with the text.

The details in the text are consistent, but your interpretation is not.

If you notice the chart I posted above the spices were prepared before the weekly Sabbath... No contradiction there.

The account I have posted has Jesus as the actual passover lamb (as the Bible clearly states he was.) and tradition has him eating it... So you can see why there was the need to rethink this. You may want to right click on the jpg and save it for your own reference.

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