Who resurrected Jesus?

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. ...Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini: Islam Is Not a Religion of Pacifists (1942)

neologist wrote:

Having an apparent contradiction which can be explained by Jesus faith in his relationship with his father is quite different than the cataclysmic gulf between the one who sends and the one who is sent forth, the one who prays and the one who is prayed to, the one obedient and the one obeyed, the image and the exact reflection. . . .

The one called father and the one called son

To whom does this refer, Neo?

Is 9:6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

ew i know that one RL........It was Jesus.....the same Almighty God described all throughout the bible...THe bible is clear that Jesus is God in the flesh. Although arianism has been around for almost 2000 yrs, thankfully few believe it.

it is a heresy according to scripture. the bible is clear that Jesus is God, not one of many Gods, and not a lesser God. if you are ever interested in looking up greek, you will see that the nwt purposefully takes out words that show Christ is God.

no its not a better translation, go check it out. and Christ wasnt a created being. the verse in colossians, where Christ is called firstborn is very interesting. There are two hebrew words for firstborn. One means created first ie the eldest son and one means Heir or most prominent. Paul used the latter to describe Christ. Christ is heir to all but he was never created. He was always with God. John 1 and genesis shows this.
In the beginning was the Word. Was in greek denotes a time period that has no beginning, its continual.
CHrist has always been with God because he is God.
let me ask this neo, if Christ isn't God then were the apostles lying when they called him God and were they sinning when they worshipped him as only Jehovah is to be worship? and was Christ blasphemous to allow this reverance and worship?

Mostly right, Rex. Jesus is the only direct creation of Jehovah. So nearly all the titles belonging to Jehovah are shared to an extent with Jesus. So Jesus and Jehovah may both rightly be called father and savior.

nearly all the titles belonging to Jehovah are shared to an extent with Jesus. So Jesus and Jehovah may both rightly be called father and savior.

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Jesus told a story about a rich man and a poor man. After their death, both were conscious and spoke of their situation (one in paradise, one in torment). His idea of death apparently doesn't mesh with yours, Neo.
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real life wrote:

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Jesus told a story about a rich man and a poor man. After their death, both were conscious and spoke of their situation (one in paradise, one in torment). His idea of death apparently doesn't mesh with yours, Neo.
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You can't simply discount Solomon and the entire OT with an illustration. There is, after all, a condition of spiritual death. (Luke 9:60)

A good look at all the Pagan beliefs of trinity, immortal soul, etc. Would reveal much about the source of those beliefs.

neologist wrote:

real life wrote:

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Jesus told a story about a rich man and a poor man. After their death, both were conscious and spoke of their situation (one in paradise, one in torment). His idea of death apparently doesn't mesh with yours, Neo.
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You can't simply discount Solomon and the entire OT with an illustration. There is, after all, a condition of spiritual death. (Luke 9:60)

A good look at all the Pagan beliefs of trinity, immortal soul, etc. Would reveal much about the source of those beliefs.

And you cannot discount Paul's concise statement that to be 'absent from the body would mean that he was present with the Lord' with a misapplication of Ecclesiastes.

btw Jesus story of the rich man and Lazarus is notable because He did NOT indicate it to be a parable. He told the story WITHOUT this important qualifier, which was used in nearly all His other stories/illustrations.

neologist wrote:

nearly all the titles belonging to Jehovah are shared to an extent with Jesus. So Jesus and Jehovah may both rightly be called father and savior.

Not if you are looking at the Bible.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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Is 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour

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Is 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
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Also, as we saw previously from the Book of the Unveiling (Revelation) of Jesus Christ, the title 'First and Last' is applied to Jesus.

Compare with:

Is 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Here we see it is Jehovah God (the LORD) that is the First and the Last.

How can it be said that there are 'two First and Lasts' ? C'mon.

neo the verse rl is talking about is 2cor 5:8 . another good one is phil 1:23.

also, CHrist told the thief in luke that Today you will be with me in paradise. and there is no comma in the original translation. i believe the footnotes in the nwt even acknowledge that. and as for hell, christ spoke of eternal torment for the wicked (matt 25:41, rev 20:11-15)

God is not the first or the last because God has no beginning or end.

God preceded the first and endures way beyond the last.

So the first would be the numeral one and God would be both zero and infinity.

Zero and infinity are the creator and the numeral one is creation.