Who resurrected Jesus?

Maybe he was instilled from birth with a supernatural "yeast." By his nature, meant to rise, with no help.

You just can't hold it in, can you?

Maybe Jesus separated from the mortal flesh at the instant of death. His corpse could have been removed through god-magic after being closed in, however.

Many christians are looking forward to celebrating Jesus' resurrection in the Easter Holiday.

Who resurrected Jesus?

If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?

If he was not really dead than what was the point of his sacrifice?

John 2:18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21But he spake of the temple of his body.

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

Many christians are looking forward to celebrating Jesus' resurrection in the Easter Holiday.

Who resurrected Jesus?

If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?

If he was not really dead than what was the point of his sacrifice?

According to the believers, which includes you, your god can do anything he wants. That's part and parcel of the meaning of his name, according to you, "he who causes to become." It's a roundabout way of saying that your god is omnipotent without having to say that he's omnipotent, a designation which of course you won't find in the Bible.

I believe it is the word 'omniscient', which causes the most confusion. If by 'omniscient', you imply necessity, then the designation would fail.

That being said, I wonder what part of my initial post you are responding to.

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

Many christians are looking forward to celebrating Jesus' resurrection in the Easter Holiday.

Who resurrected Jesus?

If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?

If he was not really dead than what was the point of his sacrifice?

According to the believers, which includes you, your god can do anything he wants. That's part and parcel of the meaning of his name, according to you, "he who causes to become." It's a roundabout way of saying that your god is omnipotent without having to say that he's omnipotent, a designation which of course you won't find in the Bible.

I believe it is the word 'omniscient', which causes the most confusion. If by 'omniscient', you imply necessity, then the designation would fail.

That being said, I wonder what part of my initial post you are responding to.

I wasn't referring to the confusion caused by the word 'omniscient.' I was referring to the word 'omnipotent' and your roundabout way of ascribing this quality to your god without wanting to actually say it, . . ."a word not found in the Bible. God describes himself by his name, Jehovah, which means 'He who causes to become'. This would imply that he can do whatever he durn well pleases. That is, he accepts no limitations or determinants."

I'm responding to the part of your post where you ask "If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?" Your god can do "whatever he durn well pleases." If he wanted to kill himself dead, he could. If he wanted to resurrect himself from that death, he could 'cause he could do "whatever he durn well pleases" even if it doesn't fit the limitations or determinants of your own logic.

neologist wrote:

Many christians are looking forward to celebrating Jesus' resurrection in the Easter Holiday.

Who resurrected Jesus?

If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?

If he was not really dead than what was the point of his sacrifice?

I didn't say Jesus would resurrect Himself.

Jesus said it.

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John 2:18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21But he spake of the temple of his body.

Do you believe it when Jesus says it, Neo?

Did Jesus appear in the same body after the resurrection?

So what, exactly are you saying?

real life wrote:

I didn't say Jesus would resurrect Himself.

Jesus said it.

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John 2:18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21But he spake of the temple of his body.

Do you believe it when Jesus says it, Neo?

neologist wrote:

Did Jesus appear in the same body after the resurrection?

Different question.

Let's stick with the first.

Your question was 'who resurrected Jesus?' and Jesus is quoted as saying He will raise Himself.

Do you believe it when Jesus says it?

neologist wrote:

So what, exactly are you saying?

I didn't write the gospel of John, and it's not me being quoted in it.

If you don't believe what is written in it, say so without putting it off on me.

The words of Jesus on this subject are clear. Do you believe Him?

real life wrote:

The words of Jesus on this subject are clear. Do you believe Him?

How can you state that Jesus said anything, where you there ? I don't see any book he wrote, or a video of his last statement. So why didn't he just write a book in the first place, or as he was god why didn't he just instantly create it, and make sure its written into the side of a mountain, or on the moon so we could all look up to see it.

How can christians rely on a book created from many books, especially when you can't even be sure who wrote them, or how edited they are ?

Its in the bible so its true, how more idiotic can these debates become.

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

Many christians are looking forward to celebrating Jesus' resurrection in the Easter Holiday.

Who resurrected Jesus?

If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?

If he was not really dead than what was the point of his sacrifice?

According to the believers, which includes you, your god can do anything he wants. That's part and parcel of the meaning of his name, according to you, "he who causes to become." It's a roundabout way of saying that your god is omnipotent without having to say that he's omnipotent, a designation which of course you won't find in the Bible.

I believe it is the word 'omniscient', which causes the most confusion. If by 'omniscient', you imply necessity, then the designation would fail.

That being said, I wonder what part of my initial post you are responding to.

I wasn't referring to the confusion caused by the word 'omniscient.' I was referring to the word 'omnipotent' and your roundabout way of ascribing this quality to your god without wanting to actually say it, . . ."a word not found in the Bible. God describes himself by his name, Jehovah, which means 'He who causes to become'. This would imply that he can do whatever he durn well pleases. That is, he accepts no limitations or determinants."

I'm responding to the part of your post where you ask "If you say Jesus resurrected himself, then was he really dead?" Your god can do "whatever he durn well pleases." If he wanted to kill himself dead, he could. If he wanted to resurrect himself from that death, he could 'cause he could do "whatever he durn well pleases" even if it doesn't fit the limitations or determinants of your own logic.

I suppose it would depend on your definition of the word 'death'. If it means the cessation of being and mental activity. Then you would be claiming that God could cease to exist and then return from nonexistence. An absurdity, wouldn't you say?

real life wrote:

real life wrote:

The words of Jesus on this subject are clear. Do you believe Him?

How can you state that Jesus said anything, where you there ? I don't see any book he wrote, or a video of his last statement. So why didn't he just write a book in the first place, or as he was god why didn't he just instantly create it, and make sure its written into the side of a mountain, or on the moon so we could all look up to see it.

How can christians rely on a book created from many books, especially when you can't even be sure who wrote them, or how edited they are ?

Its in the bible so its true, how more idiotic can these debates become.

I have no doubt that the bible record is true. It is a conclusion based on years of observation and testing, certainly not on what I WISH to be true.

When RL and I disagree, it is not on what the bible says, it is on RL's inaccurate understanding of it. :wink: