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Conservapedia - the US religious right's answer to Wikipedia

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:22 pm
Their source for the 45% statement says this..
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To assess public opinion on creationism, Gallup asked:

Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin and development of human beings?
1) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process,
2) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process,
3) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so?

Polled in November 2004, 38% of respondents chose (1), 13% chose (2), 45% chose (3), and 4% offered a different or no opinion. These results are also similar to those from previous Gallup polls, which extend back to 1982.

The article explains that the 10,000 year date was included in the 1982 poll question because "it roughly approximates the timeline used by biblical literalists who study the genealogy as laid out in the first books of the Old Testament." It is perhaps worth remarking that not all biblical literalists agree on interpreting the Bible as insisting on a young earth: there are old-earth creationists, for example, who accept the scientifically determined age of the earth and of the universe, but still accept a literal reading of the Bible and reject evolution.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:32 pm
Their source for the 45% statement is a Gallup poll. That's an adequate source. Conservapedia is a target-rich environment for people who like a good laugh. But the particular point you are taking at here is one of the few islands of sense.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:45 pm
I'm shocked. The page on the Netherlands may be just 13 lines long, but still - it mentions neither drugs nor prostitution!
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:46 pm
I wondered how they'd deal with Pim Fortuyn, the man seen as hero of free speech who warned stridently against the dangers of Islam, but who was also flamboyantly gay.

No entry, alas.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:50 pm
No pages titled xtc, cocaine, marijuana, prostitution - instead of tackling these sins head-on, they keep the Conservapedia sin-free.

Well, apart from homosexuality..
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:52 pm
Thomas wrote:
Conservapedia is a target-rich environment for people who like a good laugh.


I think this misses a point which was made in the original article. That is that this site was devised by and for home-schooled children. This is about effective propaganda. These folks don't care if we laugh at it, they simply want it to provide to their chosen target audience the world view upon which they insist. So far as we know, it is doing that effectively.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:54 pm
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Clement Atlee
From Conservapedia

Clement Richard Attlee ( 1883-1967) was the United Kingdom's Prime Minister from 1945-1951. He was the first member of the Labour party to serev a ful term in Parliment as Prime Minister. Atlee started the postwar consensus for a more comprehensive welfare state, government control of major industries and public utillies, and the creation of National Health Service. He over saw decolonization of Burma, Ceylon, India, and Pakistan.

Four spelling mistakes in four sentences. Spelling not a priority for homeschoolers? Razz
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:56 pm
The full entry for France:

Quote:
A country in Europe. Thrived during the middle ages. The capitol is Paris, France, which was founded in the Middle Ages.

Laughing
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:59 pm
Thomas wrote:
Their source for the 45% statement is a Gallup poll. That's an adequate source. Conservapedia is a target-rich environment for people who like a good laugh. But the particular point you are taking at here is one of the few islands of sense.


It is only another island of distortion as far as Conservapedia is concerned. The Gallup poll asked about the origin of human beings. Conservapedia is misapplying this data to a belief that the earth itself is only 6,000 years old.

From the entry quoted by parados:
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Popularity

Roughly 45% of the United States are Young Earth Creationists and this number has stayed roughly constant for the last 20 years.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 02:06 pm
Setanta wrote:
So far as we know, it is doing that effectively.

That isn't saying much though, because we know nothing about how effectively they're doing it.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 02:16 pm
wandeljw wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Their source for the 45% statement is a Gallup poll. That's an adequate source. Conservapedia is a target-rich environment for people who like a good laugh. But the particular point you are taking at here is one of the few islands of sense.


It is only another island of distortion as far as Conservapedia is concerned. The Gallup poll asked about the origin of human beings. Conservapedia is misapplying this data to a belief that the earth itself is only 6,000 years old.

Fair point -- although replacing "humanity" with "the world" wouldn't make much of a difference. See Pollingreport.com for an overview of different ways to ask the question. The NBC poll there, which asks about the creation of the world, gives a similar figure for creationists (44%) as the other polls, which ask about human life on Earth.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:00 pm
Thomas wrote:
Their source for the 45% statement is a Gallup poll. That's an adequate source. Conservapedia is a target-rich environment for people who like a good laugh. But the particular point you are taking at here is one of the few islands of sense.

Except the Gallup poll says nothing about that 45% being young earthers that think the world is 6000 years old. The question uses 10,000 years and only addresses when humans were created so the respondents include old earth creationists and 10,000 year young creationist, not just 6000 year young earthers.

10,000 years is not 6000
humans are not the world

Based on my personal experience, I would say there are more old earthers than young earthers out there.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:20 pm
Thomas,
Your NBC poll doesn't refer to any time frame. God created the world in 6 days 5 billion years ago is the same as 6 days only 6000 years ago in that question.

One of the arguments used to rectify the bible with the physical evidence is that days used to be millions of years long.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:21 pm
Thomas wrote:
Setanta wrote:
So far as we know, it is doing that effectively.

That isn't saying much though, because we know nothing about how effectively they're doing it.


That does not alter the point which i made, which is that those responsible for this site are indifferent to whether or not it induces hilarity in people such as you or me--their object is to propagandize within a specific target audience, and that is the basis upon which they will judge the success of their effort.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:29 pm
parados wrote:
Your NBC poll doesn't refer to any time frame. God created the world in 6 days 5 billion years ago is the same as 6 days only 6000 years ago in that question.

Oops, you're right. I continue to believe that the figures for young earth creationism would be about the same as those for young humanity creationism, or whatever the name is. But I must admit I have no polls to back that up.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2007 07:54 pm
I wonder how many conservapedia's of various flavors and degrees of subtlety it would take to effectively obscure more accurate sources of information?

How will kids with no pre-foundation of knowledge be able to differentiate between sources of information on the internet?

I'm finding this Conservapedia pretty funny Smile in a frightening sort of way.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2007 05:51 am
Check out Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Guantanamo_Bay

Laughing
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2007 06:14 am
msolga wrote:


Hey, I sure there are conservatives on A2K who would agree with that article.

Here's how they define Liberal.

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The term liberal is used in the United States to characterize the following set of beliefs:

support of gun control
taxpayer funding of abortion
prohibiting prayer in school
equal rights for men and women, including participation by men and women in the military
distributing wealth from the rich to the poor
government programs to rehabilitate criminals
same-sex marriage
amnesty for illegal aliens
teaching of evolution
increased taxpayer funding of public school
protection of all of God's creation
taxpayer-funded rather than private medical care
increased power for labor unions
disarmament treaties
increased taxes
support of government programs such as welfare
reduction of military expenses
support of affirmative action
government-sponsored education about human reproduction


http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2007 07:48 pm
Re: Conservapedia - the US religious right's answer to Wikip
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This rightwing website challenges the 'liberal bias' of Wikipedia ...

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Conservapedia - the US religious right's answer to Wikipedia


Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
Friday March 2, 2007
The Guardian


It has been attacked many times in its short life, most notably by a former aide to Robert F Kennedy and the editor of Encyclopaedia Britannica. But now the online reference site Wikipedia has a new foe: evangelical Christians.
A website founded by US religious activists aims to counter what they claim is "liberal bias" on Wikipedia, the open encyclopedia which has become one of the most popular sites on the web. The founders of Conservapedia.com say their site offers a "much-needed alternative" to Wikipedia, which they say is "increasingly anti-Christian and anti-American".

Although entries on Wikipedia are open for anyone to edit, conservative campaigners say they are unable to make changes to articles on the site because of inherent bias by its global team of volunteer editors. Instead they have chosen to build a clone which they hope will promote Christian values.
"I've tried editing Wikipedia, and found that the biased editors who dominate it censor or change facts to suit their views," Andy Schlafly, the founder of Conservapedia, told the Guardian. "In one case my factual edits were removed within 60 seconds - so editing Wikipedia is no longer a viable approach."

Among his criticisms listed on Conservapedia, Mr Schlafly explains how many Wikipedia articles often use British spelling instead of American English and says that it "refuses" to give enough credit to Christianity for the Renaissance. "Facts against the theory of evolution are almost immediately censored," he continues.

Mr Schlafly, a lawyer by day, is the son of a prominent American conservative, Phyllis Schlafly, renowned for her opposition to feminism and the Equal Rights Amendment. He says Conservapedia was created last November as a project for home-schooled children - and believes it could eventually become a reference for teachers in the US. "It is rapidly becoming one of the largest and most reliable online educational resources of its kind," he said.

Wikipedia has come in for criticism for its open approach, notably from Dale Hoiberg, the editor-in-chief of Encyclopaedia Britannica. Mr Hoiberg disputed a survey in the scientific journal Nature which found that the website was just as accurate as its venerable counterpart. Meanwhile, a Tennessee journalist, John Seigenthaler, attacked the site for suggesting he had been accused of involvement in the assassinations of both John and Bobby Kennedy in the 1960s.

The arrival of Conservapedia has been met with derision by much of the internet community. But Jimmy Wales, the co-founder of Wikipedia, said he was not upset by the rightwing site's claims.

"Free culture knows no bounds," he said. "We welcome the reuse of our work to build variants. That's directly in line with our mission."

I consider myself to be a conservative,
in that I support the original principles that were engendered
in the US Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land.
I voted for both Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
I also come from a Christian background.

I dissent from the proposition that some Christians
of a particular variety of theology are necessarily MORE conservative
than other citizens, altho thay may be, in some areas of secular concern.

The word "conservative " means ORTHODOX,
conserving the original principles of the social n political contract,
the US Constitution; that always was and remains a secular instrument.

At the beginning of this republic, there was NO THEOCRACY,
nor were theocratic elements invested into that supreme law.

If anything, by the Bill of Rights alone, government was hamstrung
and crippled 37 different ways, by enumerating 37 things that it cud not do.
Hence, the Constitution is a natural home for libertarian
l 'aissez faire individualists such as myself.

Being a conservative ( and therefore, by definition, right wing ) does NOT turn me into a theocrat.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2007 07:56 pm
xingu wrote:
msolga wrote:


Hey, I sure there are conservatives on A2K who would agree with that article.

Here's how they define Liberal.

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The term liberal is used in the United States to characterize the following set of beliefs:

support of gun control
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal

SOME leaders of the liberal intelligentsia
do NOT support gun control
and acknowledge possession of guns to be an individual right,
like freedom of speech or the right to vote.
David
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