Is Bush a Fascist?

What amazes me is the willingness of the plebs to just ignore the outrageous wrongs being committed by their leaders. Even more amazing is their willingness to cowtow to the overt propaganda purported by these same liars and chronic criminal misfits who lied their way into power, and continue to lie for a living.

Pathetic, really.

New Doubts On Nuclear Efforts by North Korea
U.S. Less Certain of Uranium Program

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 1, 2007; Page A01

The Bush administration is backing away from its long-held assertions that North Korea has an active clandestine program to enrich uranium, leading some experts to believe that the original U.S. intelligence that started the crisis over Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions may have been flawed.
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The administration's stance today stands in sharp contrast to the certainty expressed by top officials in 2002, when the administration accused Pyongyang of running a secret uranium program -- and demanded it be dismantled at once. President Bush told a news conference that November: "We discovered that, contrary to an agreement they had with the United States, they're enriching uranium, with a desire of developing a weapon."

The accusation about the alleged uranium program backfired, sparking a series of events that ultimately led to North Korea's first nuclear test -- using another material, plutonium -- nearly five months ago.

joefromchicago wrote:

It's a dumb list now and it was a dumb list two years ago.

How can a list be dumb?

Another example today Brandon..

Quote:

New Doubts On Nuclear Efforts by North Korea
U.S. Less Certain of Uranium Program

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 1, 2007; Page A01

The Bush administration is backing away from its long-held assertions that North Korea has an active clandestine program to enrich uranium, leading some experts to believe that the original U.S. intelligence that started the crisis over Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions may have been flawed.
...
The administration's stance today stands in sharp contrast to the certainty expressed by top officials in 2002, when the administration accused Pyongyang of running a secret uranium program -- and demanded it be dismantled at once. President Bush told a news conference that November: "We discovered that, contrary to an agreement they had with the United States, they're enriching uranium, with a desire of developing a weapon."

The accusation about the alleged uranium program backfired, sparking a series of events that ultimately led to North Korea's first nuclear test -- using another material, plutonium -- nearly five months ago.

Even you can't deny that Bush's stance led to the North Koreans testing a nuke.

joefromchicago, it's an accurate list and certainly Bushie is a corporate fascist.

Builder wrote:

What amazes me is the willingness of the plebs to just ignore the outrageous wrongs being committed by their leaders. Even more amazing is their willingness to cowtow to the overt propaganda purported by these same liars and chronic criminal misfits who lied their way into power, and continue to lie for a living.

Pathetic, really.

What amazes me is that you make such drastic accusations without giving so much as one single example of said lies and outrageous wrongs. I assert that you cannot.

Another example today Brandon..

Quote:

New Doubts On Nuclear Efforts by North Korea
U.S. Less Certain of Uranium Program

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 1, 2007; Page A01

The Bush administration is backing away from its long-held assertions that North Korea has an active clandestine program to enrich uranium, leading some experts to believe that the original U.S. intelligence that started the crisis over Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions may have been flawed.
...
The administration's stance today stands in sharp contrast to the certainty expressed by top officials in 2002, when the administration accused Pyongyang of running a secret uranium program -- and demanded it be dismantled at once. President Bush told a news conference that November: "We discovered that, contrary to an agreement they had with the United States, they're enriching uranium, with a desire of developing a weapon."

The accusation about the alleged uranium program backfired, sparking a series of events that ultimately led to North Korea's first nuclear test -- using another material, plutonium -- nearly five months ago.

Even you can't deny that Bush's stance led to the North Koreans testing a nuke.

snookered wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

snookered wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Give one (not 100) specific example of something that he did which qualifies as fascistic. Here's a hint. If American presidents have a long tradition of doing whatever it is, it doesn't count. Do not provide a link to someone else's thoughts.

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...Obviously, the most ridiculous one is when he said that "HE" is the decider. (settles two areas of mental defect, fascism and ignorance.)
Requesting than ignoring Generals on the ground in Iraq, what they want and need.
Declaring war, then forcing Congresses hand.

None of this constitutes fascism, the abrogation of democratic elections and the rule of law, and some of it is merely your personal interpretation.

snookered wrote:

Lying about WMD's.

He didn't. And if you disagree, you need only specify EXACTLY what the lie was.

snookered wrote:

Standing on the Aircraft carrier like a Fascist would, declaring victory in Iraq.
Ignoring the needs of a lower class New Orleans, something a fascist would do.
Ignoring the needs of the lower and middle class, ooops, that's something that every Republican President has done...sorry

None of this constitutes fascism, the abrogation of elections and the rule of law, and some of it is merely your interpretation.

snookered wrote:

Encouraging the merge of Church and State, against the constitution....

He didn't encourage the merger of Church and state, but merely some use of religious charities.

Brandon, you would be like debating a Islamic radical terrorist that there really aren't 99 virgins waiting for him if he straps bombs on his body and blows people up.
Everyone of the examples I gave are true and are traits of a Fascist.
You didn't see him stand on that aircraft carrier and declare victory?

Standing on a ship and declaring that a war effort has been accomplished may be suggestive in your mind of many things, but it hardly makes someone a fascist.

snookered wrote:

The lie about WMD's was uh..."HEY Sadam has them thar WMD's, yes sir I know, I just know it, cause people have told me they got'em." Go ask Cheney, cause he heard it from the same cowboys I did...

Bush said that his intelligence indicated that it was very likely that Saddam Hussein was continuing his previous WMD development efforts, which was a reasonable, and at that time widespread, interpretation of the facts. Being wrong doesn't constitute lying unless you know that what you are saying is false when you say it.

joefromchicago, the persuasive arguments are made clearly on this thread. You gotta do a lot of pretending to deny the corporate fascist state of America. What it aint is a government by and for the people.

"fascism - A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
American Heritage Dictionary, 1983

OCCUM, hahaha. Like you know where I've ventured. It's an extremely hard sell pretending we dont have a corporate fascist state in America. But your greatest pretending is evident in your post. Pretending it's only blueflame and a few others who complain of corporatism in America. No scholars or learned people at all dare to even make such a charge. David Rockefeller laid out the mindset, "The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."