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Will this be charged a hate crime?

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 12:59 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Larry is not asking the question is this a hate crime.... He is making the statement that Muslims get away with everything in this turned upside down world ruined by liberals and he's against that.

It's not even cleverly disguised as a question.


I do think they get away with more then your average religious citizen. They commit crimes that are blatant hate crimes or terrorist acts and the news media covers and apologizes for them as well as those on the left. If these same crimes were committed by someone who was a Christian the left would be calling for their head and demeaning the over all Christian followers as racists and bigots.

One man shot and killed an abortion Dr. and the left had a hate fest with Christians and denounced Christians as killers. The same doesn't happen with Muslims. I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop. I don't think any one religion is better then the other, but Islam as a whole has caused a hell of a lot of death and suffering in the last 20 years. No other religion has caused this in the last 20 years.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:03 pm
Baldimo wrote:
I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop.


That is a more than stupid remark and an affront to all victims of terorists of other or no religious beliefs and their families .
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:07 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop.


That is a more than stupid remark and an affront to all victims of terrorists of other or no religious beliefs and their families .


True, some terrorists are Germans.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:12 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop.


That is a more than stupid remark and an affront to all victims of terrorists of other or no religious beliefs and their families .


True, some terrorists are Germans.

McG, if someone suggested you needed to "get a grip" would you grab yourself?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:18 pm
McGentrix wrote:

True, some terrorists are Germans.


No doubt - we had a terrific time with our terrosts in the 70's/(0's.
But German is no religion here - they were Evangelicals (mostly), Catholics and without religion.

The ETA terrorists are mostly Catholics as are a lot of the IRA terrorits.


Tamil Tigers weren't Muslims either. ... ... ...
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:21 pm
Was Timothy MacVeigh a muslim ? I must have missed that somewhere ...
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:26 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop.


That is a more than stupid remark and an affront to all victims of terorists of other or no religious beliefs and their families .


How many terrorist attacks have occured that were not religious backed? I can think of one and that was Timothy McVey (sp). Talk to those in Spain, UK, Phillipians, Bali, US, Israel, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany and Russia and see if they feel that same way.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:27 pm
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How many terrorist attacks have occured that were not religious backed?


Do you count abortion clinic terrorism?

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:28 pm
LionTamerX wrote:
Was Timothy MacVeigh a muslim ? I must have missed that somewhere ...


I don't say that all corn fed red necks are terrorists.... but all terrorists are corn fed rednecks Laughing Laughing Laughing
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:33 pm
dyslexia wrote:
When some drunken, white college (Christian school) students burned down some black churches last year, was that a hate crime?


That must be why all the aluminum siding is missing from predominantly black neighborhoods. Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:34 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
I still insist that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims and I will hold to that until World Wide Terror attacks stop.


That is a more than stupid remark and an affront to all victims of terorists of other or no religious beliefs and their families .


How many terrorist attacks have occured that were not religious backed? I can think of one and that was Timothy McVey (sp). Talk to those in Spain, UK, Phillipians, Bali, US, Israel, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany and Russia and see if they feel that same way.


As you may have overead, I was responding to the claim that all terrorists are Muslims.

ETA terrorists aren't religious motivated as aren't the (modern) Irish or the Tamile Tigers (and their follower-ups) - to refer to those, I've mentioned.
And for the Red Army Fraction religion wasn't a theme at all (as it isn't for the terrorists in Italy and [mostly] in Greece).
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 07:42 am
And this is why hate crime bills are the most stupid, idiotic laws on the books today. You can very seldom determine with any certainty whether someone did something out of hate for a group.

I would have to agree that with what is being reported, this crime was probably not a hate crime in the truest definition. But at the same time, a case could be made that after this religious discussion, the man was so filled with hate for Christians that he decided to run a few of them down and thus rid society of them. I mean, after all, isn't that what many of his fellow Muslims do on a regular basis, simply because others believe differently? By a simple definition, he hated these people because of their beliefs and decided to try to kill them. Sounds like hate to me.

And this is why I think any and all hate crime laws are stupid. I also have an opinion about those who support these laws, but I'll keep that one to myself in order to maintain a civil conversation. Cool
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 07:53 am
CoastalRat wrote:
I mean, after all, isn't that what many of his fellow Muslims do on a regular basis, simply because others believe differently?


Given the total number of Muslims worldwide and the number of Muslims who "rid society of Christians on a regular basis", your above statement seems to be totally baseless.

It would just make as much sense to say that "US soldiers kill Muslims on a regular basis", so a case could be made that US soldiers are so full of hate for Islam that it makes sense to say they want to rid the world of all Muslims.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:23 am
OE, note that I said many Muslims. I am well aware of the dangers of characterizing an entire group of people based on the actions of a small number of them. Kinda like those who believe all Catholic priests are pedophiles because of the actions of a few. But just like the Catholic priests, it is the bad apples that get the press. And since I assume this guy reads about the escapades of other Muslims (the violent ones), it may well be that he saw it as perfectly reasonable to do what he did. Sorry if you misunderstood what I was getting at in my statement you quoted.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:25 am
Keep profiling. I am.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:31 am
One other request, OE. If you are going to put quotes around something, said quotes indicating that I wrote it, please quote me accurately. The quoted section you noted within your comment, "rid society of Christians on a regular basis", was never written by me and totally changes the what I in fact did write.

I don't mind if someone throws something I wrote back in my face as long as I really wrote it. It just ticks me off a bit when someone puts something in quotes as if I actually wrote it when in fact I did not. Now you may have believed the thing you quoted was the gist of what I said, but please don't put it in quotes as if I really wrote it. Thanks.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:33 am
Remember CR, "it all depends on what the definition if "is" is".
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:35 am
Actally, locals and co-cabdrivers discuss that event a bit differently, when you look at the press reports ...

"I don't know what happened the other night, but I wouldn't try to convince a Muslim to think like me religiously. That's idiotic."

... But they just don't have the knowledge like we here.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:45 am
Who says they were trying to get the Muslim to "think like" them "religiously"? I've have many discussions with people that were simply that, discussions. Now maybe they were trying to get him to think like them, but regardless, trying to run them down was a bit extreme. I mean, when JW's come to my door to try to convince me to think like them religiously, I politely ask them to go away and close my door. The thought never crosses my mind to jump in my car and try to run them down.

But that's just me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 08:52 am
CoastalRat wrote:
Who says they were trying to get the Muslim to "think like" them "religiously"?


In this case, a cabdriver named Harry I-don't-remember-his-surname.
As said, it's all in the local (and regional) news.
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