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Will this be charged a hate crime?

 
 
Baldimo
 
Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:21 am
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Is this guy going to be charged with a hate crime? Or because he's Muslim he's going to get off of the hate crime as being misunderstood?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:26 am
A hate crime is an attack because someone belongs to a group.

There is no evidence he attacked them because they were students.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:31 am
According to the quoted report, he was "charged with assault and attempted homicide".

I suppose, but I'm no expert in US-law at all, that the prosecution could add some more to those charges if they find reason to do so.

I suppose furthermore that such hardly can be judged by a media report and without deeper knowledge of the facts.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:34 am
I agree that we would have to know more of the details. If the students and the cabbie get into a brouhaha about religion, IMO, it WAS a hate crime, but we don't know all the facts, yet.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:36 am
Is he an Islamic fascist? They hate everybody.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:41 am
parados wrote:
A hate crime is an attack because someone belongs to a group.

There is no evidence he attacked them because they were students.


They weren't muslims and he was, that is 2 different groups. If he hit them because they weren't Muslims and said something he didn't like about Islam then that would be a hate crime.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:45 am
cjhsa wrote:
Is he an Islamic fascist? They hate everybody.


Asking whom?



I'd like to read Tenn. Code Ann. ยง 40-35-114 (2001) which is the law about hate crime.

Perhaps Baldimo has a source at hand?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:46 am
Baldimo wrote:
If he hit them because they weren't Muslims and said something he didn't like about Islam then that would be a hate crime.


Seems you know the Tennessee Hate Law text. Can you provide it, please?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 08:04 am
Baldimo wrote:
parados wrote:
A hate crime is an attack because someone belongs to a group.

There is no evidence he attacked them because they were students.


They weren't muslims and he was, that is 2 different groups. If he hit them because they weren't Muslims and said something he didn't like about Islam then that would be a hate crime.

A hate crime is NOT a crime because they don't belong to a group. It is because they DO belong to a group. It is not a hate crime because some one is NOT muslim or because they are NOT white.


From the Tennessee code 40-35-114
I doubt the link will work but just in case it does...
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(17) The defendant intentionally selected the person against whom the crime was committed or selected the property that was damaged or otherwise affected by the crime, in whole or in part, because of the defendant's belief or perception regarding the race, religion, color, disability, sexual orientation, national origin, ancestry, or gender of that person or the owner or occupant of that property; however, this subdivision (17) should not be construed to permit the enhancement of a sexual offense on the basis of gender selection alone;


It requires the selection of the victim based on the victim's religion. No such act occurred here. The law doesn't allow for a hate crime because they don't share your religion. The victims were selected because of a personal encounter and argument. Not because of their personal religion.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 08:06 am
Thanks, parados.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 08:17 am
parados wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
parados wrote:
A hate crime is an attack because someone belongs to a group.

There is no evidence he attacked them because they were students.


They weren't muslims and he was, that is 2 different groups. If he hit them because they weren't Muslims and said something he didn't like about Islam then that would be a hate crime.

A hate crime is NOT a crime because they don't belong to a group. It is because they DO belong to a group. It is not a hate crime because some one is NOT muslim or because they are NOT white.


From the Tennessee code 40-35-114
I doubt the link will work but just in case it does...
source

Quote:
(17) The defendant intentionally selected the person against whom the crime was committed or selected the property that was damaged or otherwise affected by the crime, in whole or in part, because of the defendant's belief or perception regarding the race, religion, color, disability, sexual orientation, national origin, ancestry, or gender of that person or the owner or occupant of that property; however, this subdivision (17) should not be construed to permit the enhancement of a sexual offense on the basis of gender selection alone;


It requires the selection of the victim based on the victim's religion. No such act occurred here. The law doesn't allow for a hate crime because they don't share your religion. The victims were selected because of a personal encounter and argument. Not because of their personal religion.


Your saying you know what was going on in this guys head when he decided to drive through a parking lot, jump a curb and then try and kill these guys?

If they were Christians and he was a Muslim and he hit them because they were Christians and because they said something bad about Islam then that could still be seen as a hate crime.

It fits the bill. They are part of a group that he is not. He hit them because of it. Hate crime all the way.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 09:13 am
I will withhold judgement until the trial.

Unless he is an Islamic fascist. They hate everybody.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 09:42 am
"Because they said something bad about islam" IMMEDIATELY takes it out of hate crime territory.

Your speculation of how it happened removes it from possibly being a hate crime Baldimo. If that is the reason, then it is NOT because they were Christian, it was because they attacked HIS religion. He didn't select them because of their religion.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 10:13 am
parados wrote:
"Because they said something bad about islam" IMMEDIATELY takes it out of hate crime territory.

Your speculation of how it happened removes it from possibly being a hate crime Baldimo. If that is the reason, then it is NOT because they were Christian, it was because they attacked HIS religion. He didn't select them because of their religion.


We don't know if they attacked his religion. He could have said that Islam was better and they disagreed with him. It's funny how you imply that it was their fault they were hit by this guy. How come when it comes to Islam people have to walk on egg shells and the left will defend Islam above all else. You can't even have a cartoon about Islam without some getting killed because the Muslims didn't like it and the left will attack the cartoon person instead of the people who are being violent.

When an artist in NY thought it was ok to make art out of elephant **** in the form of the Virgin Mary that was ok but make art out of Muhammad and your life is in danger. There is a total disconnect with religion in this country and it favors those who are the most violent in defending their religion.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 10:17 am
Baldimo wrote:
How come when it comes to Islam people have to walk on egg shells and the left will defend Islam above all else. ... ....


I'd thought you question was about 'hate crime' and if it was one here.

Obviously it isn't.

Out here.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 10:24 am
Baldimo wrote:
If [..] he hit them because they were Christians and because they said something bad about Islam then that could still be seen as a hate crime.

Two different things here.

If he hit them because they were Christians, then yes, that would be a hate crime.

If he hit them because they said something about Islam, that would not be a hate crime. They'd have to go with just attempted homocide (and I hope he gets banged up for it).

The news article you posted suggests that the second happened - it says that they had an argument over his religion.

The news article says nothing that suggests that he attacked them "because they were Christians".

You acknowledge that you dont know whether he did by saying, "if he hit them because they were Christians" - and yet you jump to the conclusion that it's a "hate crime all the way" in the next sentence anyway?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 10:37 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
How come when it comes to Islam people have to walk on egg shells and the left will defend Islam above all else. ... ....


I'd thought you question was about 'hate crime' and if it was one here.

Obviously it isn't.

Out here.


Do we know that for sure? We don't know what was going through the mans mind when he commited the crime. Remember a hate crime is all about what you think, not what you do.

If you murder someone because you are robbing them, that isn't a hate crime, but if you murder someone because you think they are different then you then that is the hate crime. It isn't the crime but what you think and what caused you to commit the crime.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 10:51 am
When some drunken, white college (Christian school) students burned down some black churches last year, was that a hate crime?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 11:31 am
dyslexia wrote:
When some drunken, white college (Christian school) students burned down some black churches last year, was that a hate crime?


I would say yes. Where all the churches black churches?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 11:43 am
Larry is not asking the question is this a hate crime.... He is making the statement that Muslims get away with everything in this turned upside down world ruined by liberals and he's against that.

It's not even cleverly disguised as a question.
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