Gore Announces S.O.S.

A bill does not work when its sponsor first promotes it on the Senate floor. It works if and when it's enacted into law, causing the government to spend money money. In the case of the Gore bill, this happened 1991, not 1986.

When Wikipedia mentions Gore is irrelevant. However, it is relevant that even 1986 is three years after the Pentagon shut down the civilian part of ARPAnet and the National Science Foundation started up NSFnet, its research network. Even your timeline does not support your account of Gore's influence under the laws of cause and effect.

To be clear: I'm not disputing that the federal government helped in the expansion of the internet.

I'm not disputing that Gore deserves some of the credit for the government's helpful intervention.

Your timeline, or rather your math, seems to be off. 1986 is two years after 1984, when the National Science Foundation network took the civilian users from the ARPANet.

Such computers could hardly handle traffic for anything which can be called "the internet" as we know it. Al Gore introduced bills to beef up the National Science Foundation computers with fiber optic cable so they can handle the traffic a real network would require. These bills were finally passed.

Without Gore, the precursor to the internet would be chugging along on 56 kbps, unknown to the general public.

ask yourself this once again: How come there were no search engines or directories for this supposedly existent network before 1993?

Once again, I emphasize-Al Gore's bills established the commissions to plan and then later implement the internet we know today.

The Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA) declared it to be U.S. policy to establish a reserve of up to 1 billion barrels of petroleum. President Ford signed the legislation on December 22, 1975, setting the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) into motion.

The need for a national oil storage reserve had been recognized for at least five decades. Secretary of the Interior Harold L. Ickes advocated the stockpiling of emergency crude oil in 1944. President Truman's Minerals Policy Commission proposed a strategic oil supply in 1952. President Eisenhower suggested an oil reserve after the 1956 Suez Crisis. The Cabinet Task Force on Oil Import Control recommended a similar reserve in 1970.

But few events so dramatically underscored the need for a strategic oil reserve as the 1973-74 oil embargo. The cutoff of oil flowing into the United States from OPEC sent economic shockwaves throughout the nation. In the aftermath of the oil crises, the United States established the SPR.

Gore represented Tennessee for eight years in the U.S. House of Representatives (1977-1985) and for another eight in the U.S. Senate (1985-1993)

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

snood wrote:

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

I am just wondering how he could have supported it in Congress when it became law BEFORE he was in Congress.
That doesnt seem possible to me.

I'm not slamming him,just questioning the facts.

Gore supported the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Al Gore was an early, vocal advocate for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He argued, "We need the cushion to fall back on in case some events occur in the Middle East which deprive the world of that very tenuous supply of oil,: and he noted that the "SPR is a vital asset to our national security."

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

I am just wondering how he could have supported it in Congress when it became law BEFORE he was in Congress.
That doesnt seem possible to me.

I'm not slamming him,just questioning the facts.

Yeah, whatever.
"Mysteryman",
There's certainly no "mystery" about the negative spin you're attempting on this - and it's a bogus non-starter. This is what it says on the page about Gore's contributions that you linked:

Quote:

Gore supported the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Al Gore was an early, vocal advocate for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He argued, "We need the cushion to fall back on in case some events occur in the Middle East which deprive the world of that very tenuous supply of oil,: and he noted that the "SPR is a vital asset to our national security."

And that's all it says

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

I am just wondering how he could have supported it in Congress when it became law BEFORE he was in Congress.
That doesnt seem possible to me.

I'm not slamming him,just questioning the facts.

Yeah, whatever.
"Mysteryman",
There's certainly no "mystery" about the negative spin you're attempting on this - and it's a bogus non-starter. This is what it says on the page about Gore's contributions that you linked:

Quote:

Gore supported the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Al Gore was an early, vocal advocate for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He argued, "We need the cushion to fall back on in case some events occur in the Middle East which deprive the world of that very tenuous supply of oil,: and he noted that the "SPR is a vital asset to our national security."

And that's all it says

I will repeat my question,and I will type slowly so you can read and understand it.

How could he have been an early supporter in Congress if the SPR came into being BEFORE he became a congressman?

If that is to difficult for you to understand,then you might try a remedial reading class.

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

I am just wondering how he could have supported it in Congress when it became law BEFORE he was in Congress.
That doesnt seem possible to me.

I'm not slamming him,just questioning the facts.

Yeah, whatever.
"Mysteryman",
There's certainly no "mystery" about the negative spin you're attempting on this - and it's a bogus non-starter. This is what it says on the page about Gore's contributions that you linked:

Quote:

Gore supported the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Al Gore was an early, vocal advocate for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He argued, "We need the cushion to fall back on in case some events occur in the Middle East which deprive the world of that very tenuous supply of oil,: and he noted that the "SPR is a vital asset to our national security."

And that's all it says

I will repeat my question,and I will type slowly so you can read and understand it.

How could he have been an early supporter in Congress if the SPR came into being BEFORE he became a congressman?

If that is to difficult for you to understand,then you might try a remedial reading class.

Can you not support something without being in congress?

I support gun ownership rights, so I help by sending money to the NRA.
I suppor the seperation of church and state, so I send money to Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
You support the war, so you vote for congressmen of like minds to represent you.

If THIS is too difficult for you to understand, then you might try a .45 caliber, hollow point, 230 grain, to the left temple. I'm not suggesting that you kill yourself, just pointing out this simple fact is so easy to understand that you should spend some time on it.

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

<b>Snake Pliskin</b> wrote:

So, if he supported it near its beginning (if you can stipulate that for a 20+ year old organization, the first 2-3 years are near its beginning), he's an "early supporter". Unless of course, someone has a reason to slam everything he says and look for ways to discredit him.

I am just wondering how he could have supported it in Congress when it became law BEFORE he was in Congress.
That doesnt seem possible to me.

I'm not slamming him,just questioning the facts.

Yeah, whatever.
"Mysteryman",
There's certainly no "mystery" about the negative spin you're attempting on this - and it's a bogus non-starter. This is what it says on the page about Gore's contributions that you linked:

Quote:

Gore supported the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Al Gore was an early, vocal advocate for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He argued, "We need the cushion to fall back on in case some events occur in the Middle East which deprive the world of that very tenuous supply of oil,: and he noted that the "SPR is a vital asset to our national security."

And that's all it says

I will repeat my question,and I will type slowly so you can read and understand it.

How could he have been an early supporter in Congress if the SPR came into being BEFORE he became a congressman?

If that is to difficult for you to understand,then you might try a remedial reading class.

Can you not support something without being in congress?

I support gun ownership rights, so I help by sending money to the NRA.
I suppor the seperation of church and state, so I send money to Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
You support the war, so you vote for congressmen of like minds to represent you.

If THIS is too difficult for you to understand, then you might try a .45 caliber, hollow point, 230 grain, to the left temple. I'm not suggesting that you kill yourself, just pointing out this simple fact is so easy to understand that you should spend some time on it.

When he got to Congress in 1977, Gore was a member of the committee which oversaw the filling of the Strategic Petroleum Reserves. The filling commenced before he got there, but much of the filling continued while he was on that committee which oversaw the filling operation.


In 2000, he also supported the extension of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Act.

This is by no means a complete list, he might have done even more than this.

kelticwizard wrote:

When he got to Congress in 1977, Gore was a member of the committee which oversaw the filling of the Strategic Petroleum Reserves. The filling commenced before he got there, but much of the filling continued while he was on that committee which oversaw the filling operation.


In 2000, he also supported the extension of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Act.

This is by no means a complete list, he might have done even more than this.

When Gore got to Congress in 1977, the U.S. already had a space program too, among many other things, so since he probably voted for something some time or other related to the space program, maybe he would like us to believe he invented the space program too, along with the internet and the petroleum reserve, MM? The list of his accomplishments could grow exponentially.

okie wrote:

kelticwizard wrote:

When he got to Congress in 1977, Gore was a member of the committee which oversaw the filling of the Strategic Petroleum Reserves. The filling commenced before he got there, but much of the filling continued while he was on that committee which oversaw the filling operation.


In 2000, he also supported the extension of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Act.

This is by no means a complete list, he might have done even more than this.

When Gore got to Congress in 1977, the U.S. already had a space program too, among many other things, so since he probably voted for something some time or other related to the space program, maybe he would like us to believe he invented the space program too, along with the internet and the petroleum reserve, MM? The list of his accomplishments could grow exponentially.

No, but he could accurately say he was a "supporter" of the space program, and some scmoe trying for a gratuitous smear would probably find a way to say he was suggesting he invented it.