SAVE OUR KIDS: GET THEM TO CHURCH!!!

FreeDuck wrote:

Haven't read the entire study just yet, but I noticed that the headline states that "religion" is the crime-cutting factor. This would seem to mean any religion. Maybe we should get our kids to the mosque? Do you, Foxfyre, see a need to differentiate, or do you think any religion will do?

You apparently haven't read much of the thread either or you would have seen more than one incident in which I posted that the study did not seem to put any importance on what brand of religiosity was involved or that it be Christian or any other specific faith.

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Haven't read the entire study just yet, but I noticed that the headline states that "religion" is the crime-cutting factor. This would seem to mean any religion. Maybe we should get our kids to the mosque? Do you, Foxfyre, see a need to differentiate, or do you think any religion will do?

You apparently haven't read much of the thread either or you would have seen more than one incident in which I posted that the study did not seem to put any importance on what brand of religiosity was involved or that it be Christian or any other specific faith.

Well, I certainly didn't read every last post but the first couple of pages and the last few. In your first few posts you seemed to indicate that this study was reason enough to bring back prayer in schools and to resume calling winter break Christmas break. Therefore, I asked you (see bolded part) whether you thought it applied equally to other religions besides yours since your link seems to indicate that religion is the key. Again, I'm asking you, not the study.

What I think should be obvious as I am advocating that the study, if correct, should be given serious consideration by those who care about kids.

Foxfyre wrote:

What I think should be obvious as I am advocating that the study, if correct, should be given serious consideration by those who care about kids.

Any idea why this didn't happen in the eight years between the publication of that summarising report and today?

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Haven't read the entire study just yet, but I noticed that the headline states that "religion" is the crime-cutting factor. This would seem to mean any religion. Maybe we should get our kids to the mosque? Do you, Foxfyre, see a need to differentiate, or do you think any religion will do?

You apparently haven't read much of the thread either or you would have seen more than one incident in which I posted that the study did not seem to put any importance on what brand of religiosity was involved or that it be Christian or any other specific faith.

Well, I certainly didn't read every last post but the first couple of pages and the last few. In your first few posts you seemed to indicate that this study was reason enough to bring back prayer in schools and to resume calling winter break Christmas break. Therefore, I asked you (see bolded part) whether you thought it applied equally to other religions besides yours since your link seems to indicate that religion is the key. Again, I'm asking you, not the study.

What I seemed to be saying to you and what I did say are apparently quite different. I suggest you go back and read more carefully and also be sure to include the subsequent discussions on those poihts. What I think should be obvious as I am advocating that the study, if correct, should be given serious consideration by those who care about kids. I haven't made my religion an issue at any point in this discussion and I think any attempt to do so is an attempt to derail the thesis of the thread. (I have stated my opinion that evidence of religion in the school environment is not an insidious influence as some suggest.)

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Haven't read the entire study just yet, but I noticed that the headline states that "religion" is the crime-cutting factor. This would seem to mean any religion. Maybe we should get our kids to the mosque? Do you, Foxfyre, see a need to differentiate, or do you think any religion will do?

You apparently haven't read much of the thread either or you would have seen more than one incident in which I posted that the study did not seem to put any importance on what brand of religiosity was involved or that it be Christian or any other specific faith.

Well, I certainly didn't read every last post but the first couple of pages and the last few. In your first few posts you seemed to indicate that this study was reason enough to bring back prayer in schools and to resume calling winter break Christmas break. Therefore, I asked you (see bolded part) whether you thought it applied equally to other religions besides yours since your link seems to indicate that religion is the key. Again, I'm asking you, not the study.

What I seemed to be saying to you and what I did say are apparently quite different. I suggest you go back and read more carefully and also be sure to include the subsequent discussions on those poihts. What I think should be obvious as I am advocating that the study, if correct, should be given serious consideration by those who care about kids. I haven't made my religion an issue at any point in this discussion and I think any attempt to do so is an attempt to derail the thesis of the thread. (I have stated my opinion that evidence of religion in the school environment is not an insidious influence as some suggest.)

It was a very simple question. The fact that you respond so strongly and defensively makes me wonder what's underneath.

How shall I judge thee? Let me count the ways...

Seriously Foxfyre, I didn't quote you, mis or otherwise. And you never answered my question.

I feel like I should mention that there is no such thing as quoting by implication.

dlowan, you're killing me.

in the ballroom with the lead pipe. (pronounced peep)

I am pleased to hear this. I still give credit to the people, not the insitution. You and your daughter are fortunate then to have a caring faculty. I do share a curiosity with ebrown_p in wondering how much REAL independant thought is being allowed.

For instance, would your daughter be able to question teachings? If she needed to understand "how" and "why" beyond "what," what responce would she get?

If a classmate identified themselves as Gay, what would the responce be by the faculty? How would they model their behaivor? How od you want them to react?

If a classmate was to become pregnant...etc.

I went to public school, and all of my worst senarios have happened there, so I don't mean to suggest that ONLY relgious schools restrict independant thought. The difference is the institution being private versus public. In the public arena you have a better platform to fight/think for yourself.