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Chavez to U.S.: 'Go to hell, gringos!'

 
 
Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 09:16 am
Chavez to U.S.: 'Go to hell, gringos!'

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- President Hugo Chavez returned to his weekly radio and TV broadcast Sunday, extolling the ideals of socialist thinker Karl Marx and telling U.S. officials to "Go to hell!" for what he called unacceptable meddling in Venezuela's affairs.

Chavez defended his government's effort to establish a socialist model and rejected U.S. concerns over a measure to grant him broad lawmaking powers, saying: "Go to hell, gringos! Go home!"

The National Assembly, controlled by the president's political allies, is expected to give final approval this week to what it calls the "enabling law," which would grant Chavez authority to pass a series of laws by decree during an 18-month period.

On Friday, U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said that Chavez's plans under the law "have caused us some concern."

Chavez, who this month announced plans to nationalize Venezuela's main telecommunications company and the electricity and natural gas sectors, says the law will permit profound changes in areas ranging from the economy to defense.

Relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense since a 2002 coup that briefly ousted Chavez, who accused the U.S. government of playing a role in the putsch. The Bush administration has repeatedly denied involvement, but recognized an interim government established by coup leaders.

Criticizing excessive consumption and self-indulgence, Chavez also announced plans to raise domestic gasoline prices and approve a new tax on luxury goods such as private yachts, second homes and extravagant automobiles.

"The one who will pay is the one who fills up the BMW," Chavez said of the gasoline tax.

He did not give details of the gasoline price hike, which he said would not affect bus drivers who provide public transportation, or the luxury tax. He said revenue from the new measures would be put toward government social programs.

In Venezuela -- one of the world's leading petroleum exporters -- gasoline costs as little as 12 cents a gallon thanks to government subsidies.
Fond wishes for Castro, comments on Hussein

In typical style, Chavez spoke for hours Sunday on his return after a five-month hiatus to the weekly program "Hello President," sending best wishes to ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro and commenting on topics ranging from watching dancing Brazilian girls wearing string bikinis at a recent presidential summit and Washington's alleged role in the hanging of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"They took out Saddam Hussein and they hanged him, for good or worse. It's not up to me to judge any government, but that gentleman was the president of that country," Chavez said.

Chavez urged Venezuelans to embrace "21st-century socialism," which he said aims to curtail what he sees as U.S. cultural domination and redistribute the country's oil wealth to the poor through programs that provide subsidized food and cash benefits for single mothers.

"Socialism isn't going to fall from the sky. We are going to understand it, work on it, plant it, sweat it," said Chavez, praising Marx's ideals. "Socialism is built on practice."

Chavez said government officials were considering new legislation that would force businesses to set aside several hours a week for employees to study, and he recommended they read leaflets outlining socialist concepts.

A vociferous former paratroop commander who revels in the role of talk-show host, Chavez suspended "Hello President" over five months ago, saying that broadcasting the weekly program would have constituted unfair use of state airtime ahead of December's presidential election.

Chavez was re-elected to a six-year term in a landslide vote.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 09:21 am
Why the hell should that communist bastard be mad if we show him how to run his country?

The nerve of some people!

I say we kill him.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 09:22 am
Blowback that naturally grows out of the cruelty of American foreign policy. http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:38 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Why the hell should that communist bastard be mad if we show him how to run his country?

The nerve of some people!

I say we kill him.
I've never really considered Chavez anything more than a near dictator. Now he seems to be eliminating the "near" from that assessment.

In fairness to Chavez, one wonders how much of the man's opposition is funded by the US. We have a long and dishonorable history of meddling in Latin American affairs to an enormous degree.

Still, "legislatures" which vote the "democratic leader" the right to just declare laws is hardly anything to celebrate.

That being said, I still don't understand why it is so important to some people that I hate Chavez. Sure he's turning into a dictator, but we have gotten along beautifully with so many dictators in the past that you have to wonder, why pick on him?

He says he wants to end or lessen US influence in the world. Well, we go around openly declaring that we want to increase our influence in the world-since when is it unfair for someone to come out and say that we ought to consider influencing others less, instead of more? Especially considering America's finagling in Latin America.

People are upset that he came to the UN and said that George Bush is the Devil. Anyone who knows anything about Hispanics knows that is the way they talk. Hispanics use a lot of angel/devil imagery in their speech. For instance, when the popular welterweight champion Sugar Ray Leonard was going to fight a Hispanic challenger, the challenger said, translated, "People think Sugar Ray is an angel-but I know he is the Devil". Chavez was just following suit. What's all the tsuris?

Don't forget that Bush and his supporters spend all this time giving the world assessments of what the US thinks of them. We like this guy, we're not too happy with that guy, this other guy is going to get regime change if he doesn't straighten up, etc etc. So now somebody else gets up in the UN and gives his assessment of the US' actions and it's leader, and everyone throws a big fat hissy fit about how DARE he?

Turnabout is fair play. The US tells the world what it thinks about everything, Chavez tells the world what he thinks about US actions. That's life.

And I notice Chavez confines his criticisms to US leaders and US foreign policy actions, and leaves the American people alone. In fact, he sets up a system where poor people in the US can get heating oil cheap if they can't afford full price.

Yet all the conservatives are all hopped up on hating Chavez, claiming anyone who visits his country is a traitor. Since when are you a traitor if you visit a country whose leader criticizes our leaders and their actions? I think if we can criticize everyone else, others have the right to criticize us. What ever happened to fairness? Has it disappeared entirely from the conservative mind?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:42 am
Chavez urged Venezuelans to embrace "21st-century socialism," which he said aims to curtail what he sees as U.S. cultural domination and redistribute the country's oil wealth to the poor through programs that provide subsidized food and cash benefits for single mothers.

"Socialism isn't going to fall from the sky. We are going to understand it, work on it, plant it, sweat it," said Chavez, praising Marx's ideals. "Socialism is built on practice."


Sounds like Hillery!
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:48 am
Why DO the right wingers in the USA show such interest in Chavez and Venezuala?

Maybe it's because the country has HUUUUUGE reserves of oil?

If all they had to export each year was a few sacks of coffee and a couple of cases of corned beef, I bet none of you would've even heard of the guy.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:52 am
woiyo wrote:
Sounds like Hillery!


When you really would care about what you write then you'll notice that he's rather alone with his ideas.

Hillary has ideas which common with the conservatives.

Besides that: what Lord Ellpus said.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:53 am
woiyo, sounds like what much of the human race is saying to the World Bank and corporate fascists. In this hemisphere Chavez is just one example of blowback from people who say no Mas. And they're saying it with ballots not bullets. A little profit sharing could ease tensions around the globe.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:06 pm
I read recently that he's got a plan underway to bulldoze a couple of "Millionaire" golf courses by the coast, in order to build some good quality social housing for "blue collar" workers from a nearby city.

Sounds like he's got his people at heart, if this is true.


Four years ago, imports and exports between the USA and Venezuala was running at about $20billion a year.
It now stands at about $47 billion a year, with the USA supplying almost a third of Venezuala's imports.

The problem may be that Chavez is possibly considering sending some of his oil to China, and this has the Whitehouse scared as it could possibly affect the amount of oil sent to the USA.

Currently, the USA imports $39 billion worth of oil each year from him.

THIS is why there is the possible "meddling" going on, leading to Chavez being a bit pissed off with Bushco, IMO.

I would recommend that they be nice to him, if they want to keep the U.S. factories running.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:07 pm
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The National Assembly, controlled by the president's political allies, is expected to give final approval this week to what it calls the "enabling law," which would grant Chavez authority to pass a series of laws by decree during an 18-month period.


And that's different from signing statements and other Bush moves in what way?

Oh, yeah, the 18 month limit.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:18 pm
Venezuela to seize golf courses

The mayor of Venezuela's capital Caracas says he plans to expropriate two exclusive golf courses and use the land for homes for the city's poor.
Mayor Juan Barreto has said playing golf on lavish courses within sight of the city's slums is "shameful".

Mr Barreto, an ally of President Hugo Chavez, has been trying to address a dramatic housing shortage in Caracas.

But critics say property rights are being eroded in Venezuela, where farms and ranches have also been seized.

Three years ago Mr Chavez's left-wing government started redistributing agricultural land that it said was underused to help landless peasants.

But this is the first time officials have announced plans to expropriate privately-owned urban land to make way for public housing, says the BBC's Greg Morsbach in Caracas.

Mr Barreto had ordered the "forced acquisition" of the golf courses, city attorney Juan Manuel Vadell told the Associated Press.

He said compensation would be paid, at a level decided by an appraisal commission.

The golf courses - the Country Club and Valle Arriba club - are in the city's most affluent suburbs, home to millionaires, foreign diplomats and celebrities, and are seen by some as a haven for the rich.

They are also in districts run by the opposition.

Mr Chavez has not yet said whether he supports the move.

But opposition city council member Carlos Ciordia called the plans "electoral demagoguery" by Mr Chavez, who is hoping for re-election in December.

Fernando Zozaya, president of the Caracas Country Club, said "this has created great concern" among his club's members.

But Mr Barreto said: "It's shameful to see people playing golf and just right there in front of them is a shantytown."

"We are following the policies laid out by President Chavez... to give a new social direction to the city, so the city can be enjoyed by everyone," he said in a television interview.

Mr Barreto has said 5,000 people could be housed in the space taken up by a single golf course.

BBC Link...
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:21 pm
Venezuala/USA trade.....

BBC Link.....
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:36 pm
Chavez may not be a diplomat and his words may seem harsh, but he has the Oil power to say what he likes without fear of retribution (apart from aggresive military acts, of course).

If the Usa places a Cuban style embargo, he just cuts off their oil and gets his luxury goods from somewhere else in the world.

It must be very galling for the WH to deal with someone as uncouth and outspoken as Chavez, knowing that he has so much 'clout'.

Chavez couldn't give a fig about what the USA thinks of him, as he simply doesn't need the USA, for ANYTHING.

It may be inconvenient for him to buy his stuff elsewhere, but hey, he certainly has the economic clout to have quite a few countries queuing up to send him their goods in exchange for Venezualan oil.

In effect, Chavez and Venezuala have the power to consider the USA somewhat of an irellevance.

I only hope he's wise with the oil revenues. If he ploughs too much of the immense profits back into the Venezualan economy, they will eventually experience hyper inflation.
If he takes a leaf out of Norway's book, and invests the vast majority of the profits on the world markets, he could build a mighty nestegg for his people for years to come.

Norway now has SO much money invested wisely, they will have no problems regarding pensions or healthcare for their retired population in perpetuity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:39 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Norway now has SO much money invested wisely, they will have no problems regarding pensions or healthcare for their retired population in perpetuity.



Shouldn't we focus more on the poor Norwegian nation, suppressed by a monarch and a communist government?


Oh, they don't have a lot of oil anymore, you said? Shocked

Back to Chavez then.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:43 pm
Walter, I only wish that the UK had done the same as Norway, instead of frittering most of it away.

We'd have ALL been buying your BMW's by now, if that was the case...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:48 pm
The oil producers are in the driving seat. That's what annoys Bush. If he could he would make regime change in Venezuala, Iraq (done) Saudi Arabia (done some while ago but needs re doing) Iran (several attempts varying degrees of success) Russia..

Come to think about it EVERY significant producer of oil should have a pro US regime, by fair means or foul.

Things will only get worse as the "easy oil" rapidly depletes and China and India keep pushing up demand.

Expect more resource wars, more blood for oil.

[I wish I could be more optimistic, but you only have to look around]
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:58 pm
Unfortunately Steve, I have a feeling that your forecast will probably be quite accurate.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 01:05 pm
"GRINGO"?
No self respecting latino would use such a word as "Gringo"
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 01:07 pm
Probably a misinterpretation by a Fox newshound, Dys.

Chavez was probably talking about banning Bingo.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 01:08 pm
ognirg?
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