Ban Girls Gone Wild Commercials?

OCCOM BILL wrote:

cyphercat wrote:
The people commenting on this thread who know nothing about the girls gone wild franchise should read about him, because it adds an entirely different facet to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no censorship, I know; and I'm sure the response will still be that it doesn't matter what kind of a bastard this guy is, it's still freedom of speech...that's fine. I just think more people should be aware of what they do to these girls, especially when the issue of "they chose to do it" comes up.
Not true. If he is committing crimes to create his videos, they should be confiscated and he should be charged accordingly. At the point he is committing a crime, it ceases to be about freedom of expression. As a juror, I would enthusiastically push for the severest of punishments and as a human I'd like to crack him upside the head.

I agree. If someone commits a crime to shoot a film, arrest him for the crime. Indeed, if someone commits a crime without shooting a film, I still say arrest him for the crime. The film, and whether it should be legal to show it on TV, has almost nothing to do with it.

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Well, yeah, but he's wriggled out of the charges in the cases that I've read about, as far as I know. So I think the best that can be done in this case is to try to let as many people as possible know how horribly exploitive these videos are and maybe (ha ha, yeah right) take a chunk out of his market.

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cyphercat wrote:

Well, yeah, but he's got good lawyers, and keeps wriggling out of the charges as far as I know. So I think the best that can be done in this case is to try to let as many people as possible know how horribly exploitive these videos are and maybe (ha ha, yeah right) take a chunk out of his market.

I have no problem with that either. It's only when the law makes censorship mandatory that I get off the boat.

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Thomas wrote:

littlek wrote:
I think it's of a different callibur than the GGW stuff Squinney's talking about. But, I can't say for sure.

I can't speak for all of Europe. But the stuff on German TV is harder than Girls Gone Wild. Some of it can be watched on unencoded, terrestrial TV channels (not just cable or satellite). Yet the sky still isn't falling here.

Squinney wrote:
For those against censorship - does that mean regular porn should be shown on basic cable? I'm not giving them access to Cinemax. This is on basic cable.

I think regular porn should be allowed to be shown on basic cable. That's different than "should be shown on basic cable".

Thomas, I would rather there be 24 hours of blantant, uncensored sex provided it's not violent, underaged, or exploitive than have these ads (from what I understand about them) pop up on prime time tv.

What kind of hardcore are you talking about?

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

back in the day I used to snort cocaine OFF a girls pubic area..... and look how well I've turned out :wink:

was that YOU?

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For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

For those in the US that find this acceptable, how many have kids and would be okay with having GGW commercials pop up on the screen as your family eats at Applebee's?

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littlek wrote:

What kind of hardcore are you talking about?

I didn't say hardcore, I said "harder than Girls Gone Wild". The films I talk about stop short of virtually nothing below the threshold of directly showing genitals penetrate each other. Which is not hardcore by my definition, but harder than Girls Gone Wild.

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squinney wrote:

For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

For those in the US that find this acceptable, how many have kids and would be okay with having GGW commercials pop up on the screen as your family eats at Applebee's?

good taste is timeless and applebees ain't it.
Your friend THE DYS

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Thomas wrote:

littlek wrote:
What kind of hardcore are you talking about?

I didn't say hardcore, I said "harder than Girls Gone Wild". The films I talk about stop short of virtually nothing below the threshold of directly showing genitals penetrate each other. Which is not hardcore by my definition, but harder than Girls Gone Wild.

and that is better, in my book, than GGW.

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squinney wrote:

For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

No they don't, and no it wouldn't be okay with me. But it doesn't have to. The whole point of freedom is that people have the right to do things that aren't okay with me, or with you, or with the moral majority, or with anybody else. I see no reason to make an exception in this case.

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squinney wrote:

For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

For those in the US that find this acceptable, how many have kids and would be okay with having GGW commercials pop up on the screen as your family eats at Applebee's?

Squinney; you're trying to hard not to get it. No, I'd rather they didn't pop up at all. I have no shortage of sources to get that material if I wanted it. That doesn't mean I want the government to censor it. I like my neighbor better sober, too. But I don't want the government to take away his booze.

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squinney wrote:

For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

For those in the US that find this acceptable, how many have kids and would be okay with having GGW commercials pop up on the screen as your family eats at Applebee's?

Having lived overseas and being here now, I strongly believe it is
a parents job to supervise what children can see and what not. Now,
having said that, my daughter has TV restrictions and never ever has
there a commercial popped up with sexual explicit content.

By the time she's old enough to stay up late and watch certain private
channels where such ads might pop up, she will be sexually educated
enough to realize that pornography of this kind is not necessarily
promoted in a healthy sexual relationship. By then I have to trust my
child rearing skills, that she can make good judgements of her own.

I am against governmental interference where parents should be held
accountable of their children's whereabouts and time.

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littlek wrote:

Thomas wrote:
littlek wrote:
What kind of hardcore are you talking about?

I didn't say hardcore, I said "harder than Girls Gone Wild". The films I talk about stop short of virtually nothing below the threshold of directly showing genitals penetrate each other. Which is not hardcore by my definition, but harder than Girls Gone Wild.

and that is better, in my book, than GGW.

Fair enough. From your earlier post, I take it that you find GGW "violent, underaged, [and] exploitive". Can you explain to me what you find violent about it? I didn't see any violence during the hour or so that I've watched the show in total.

About the "underaged and exploitative" part, I hear you. And I would have no argument with Squinney if her legislator's bill had proposed a rule of contract law such as "drunk underage kids cannot consent to exposing themselves pornographically". It's the censorship of the show, or the advertizements for it, that I have a problem with.

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I don't watch TV. In full disclosure, I've seen very little of this. But, I have read about it. The violence part is hard for me to explain. Perhaps someone else can. No one is being hurt physically. An arguement could be made that they are being hurt in a psychic way. There's more to it than that. In the states we have a problem with violence. We have an absurd amount of it on tv. Many of the violent sexual content stems from scenes like what can be seen on GGW (from what I understand!).

Maybe I should shut up now, I doubt I'd be willing to watch the show/ads just so I have a leg to stand on.

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Jane- This was during prime time and was a commercial during a show that they are old enough to view. Parents shouldn't have to have their finger on the change channel button for every commercial that may air during regular prime time PG programming.

Bill and Thomas - Okay. I hear ya. On the other hand, that's what the government does. It writes and passes bills/laws all the time in the interest of protecting some or all of its citizens. Should they not regulate children riding in the front seat of cars? Which way the car seat faces? Whether or not I smoke in the car with my kids? I'm the parent. Should it be up to me exclusively to make that decision?

Should kids be allowed to shop in porn shops and view everything on the web without having to be 18? Should the government not regulate that?

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squinney wrote:

Should they not regulate children riding in the front seat of cars?

No.

squinney wrote:

Which way the car seat faces?

Actually, for all passengers except the driver, the safest direction for the car seats to face is backwards. I don't trust the government to have the good sense to enact this. So, no.

squinney wrote:

Whether or not I smoke in the car with my kids? I'm the parent. Should it be up to me exclusively to make that decision?

Yes, it should be up to you.

squinney wrote:

Should kids be allowed to shop in porn shops and view everything on the web without having to be 18? Should the government not regulate that?

Yes, it should regulate that, but that's a matter of contract law, not media censorship. The government can -- and has to -- regulate when a child is old enough to make which kind of contract. With ten years, for example, you're old enough to buy chewing gum on your own, but not old enough to buy cars or stocks on your own. Someone has to decide this stuff. The question when you are old enough to shop in a porn shop falls into the same category of regulation. Media censorship is different because there is no contract between the media company and your child. There is a contract between the media company and you, and you are welcome to cancel it if you don't like what you're getting under it.

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squinney wrote:

Bill and Thomas - Okay. I hear ya. On the other hand, that's what the government does. It writes and passes bills/laws all the time in the interest of protecting some or all of its citizens.

True, but in most cases they shouldn't.

squinney wrote:

Should they not regulate children riding in the front seat of cars? Which way the car seat faces? Whether or not I smoke in the car with my kids? I'm the parent. Should it be up to me exclusively to make that decision?

No, those laws directly protect children. Stopping Joe Blow from watching porn doesn't.

squinney wrote:

Should kids be allowed to shop in porn shops and view everything on the web without having to be 18? Should the government not regulate that?

No to shopping in porn shops, but the web is your responsibility, like TV. I've seen several products that assist parents in limiting the online content their kids can access... but ultimately it is the parent's responsibility anyway. Joe blow's access shouldn't be restricted to protect your children. Your children's access should.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

back in the day I used to snort cocaine OFF a girls pubic area..... and look how well I've turned out :wink:

you and me both darling...

possibly off the same girl.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

squinney wrote:
For those overseas who find this acceptable, I take it porn commercials showing girls making out and masturbating pop up regularly in the middle of morning cartoons or other family programing and that's okay with you?

For those in the US that find this acceptable, how many have kids and would be okay with having GGW commercials pop up on the screen as your family eats at Applebee's?
Squinney; you're trying to hard not to get it. No, I'd rather they didn't pop up at all. I have no shortage of sources to get that material if I wanted it. That doesn't mean I want the government to censor it. I like my neighbor better sober, too. But I don't want the government to take away his booze.

I couldn't disagree more strenuously with your POV here O'Bill -- as I understand it. The point, as I see it, and as I think squinney has articulated it, is the inappropriateness of these commercials when they can easily be viewed by minor children. I called a local station a few months ago because one of these "infomercials" (GGW, or something similar) was broadcast IMMEDIATELY following a children's program -- thankfully, my kids weren't watching the program at the time. I have small kids, and do not want them to be exposed to this stuff. This isn't about unreasonable censorship, it's about regulating time and place so as to minimize the exposure of this stuff to minor children.

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I feel really awkward with this thread. I very strongly support the reasoning of Thomas and O'Bill but understand the concern of squinney. Do I support my own reasoning or the sensitivity of Squinney, I don't really have an answer other than to say I really detest govenment censorship of anything. OK I quit this thread.

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