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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
parados
 
  3  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 09:36 am
@okie,
Quote:
I do admit to getting on a soapbox, and chastise those that criticize this country, because I love this countr

You are the one criticizing this country okie. You are attacking the country by running it down and claiming we are socialist. You are attacking the country when you disrespect the President. (Or at least that was YOUR argument when Bush was President.)

It's amazing how you let yourself be so "unpatriotic" okie and then you try to claim you are doing it for the country.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 10:13 am
Quote:

The Republicans are mainly angry with the bill because it constitutes a victory, a major victory, for Obama.


This is the truth more then anything else. They are pissed because the Democrats are achieving. They are DOUBLE pissed because these guys all started crowing about health care being 'dead' back in January.

Okie, I find it especially ironic that you are so against this, seeing as - IIRC - you are on medicare, a socialist form of insurance.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 10:21 am
How quickly everyone forgot the refusal to cover poor kids with health insurance in order to save the country money.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 12:49 pm
Some commentary from Bill Maher on the recent passage of the health insurance reform bill:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=108356952517874&ref=nf
okie
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 02:39 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
I do admit to getting on a soapbox, and chastise those that criticize this country, because I love this countr

You are the one criticizing this country okie.

Misquote, cyclops and you know it. I do not criticize this country. I criticize those people that want to change this country into something that it was never intended to be. Get your interpretations right, please give me us that much decency of debate honesty.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 03:52 pm
@plainoldme,
I didn't know Bill Maher was a Health-Care Expert? I thought he was just a slimy left wing twerp. Try someone with credentials, plainoldme.
MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 03:55 pm
@plainoldme,
Oh yes, plainoldme. I am sure you cannot wait until the Republicans put their Repeal and Replace in play. I am sure that they will EXCLUDE poor kids who need help. You don't know very much about politics do you? Look up the word-
REPLACE, in the dictionary, plainoldme.
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MASSAGAT
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 04:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well, Cyclops, you may be correct. When the smoke clears on Novemer 3rd and 4th, since Obama was won such a smashing victory, will we see more Democrats and left wingers like Bernie Sanders from Vermont elected to the House? If you are correct, we will. Will we see Senator Harry Reid come back with a smashing victory ( despite the fact that he is down thirteen or fourteen points in the polls at this time and is below the critical mark for all incumbents of 50% in the polls).

Do you read, Cyclops? I mean other than left wing garbage like that found in "The Nation"? Take a look at Real Clear Politics--Obama is now-TODAY-polling at about 47% approval vis a vis 46% disapproval. His signing of the
Bill gave him a slight bounce but it DISAPPEARED.

But, as you wrote, he won a victory. This should and must translate into gains for the Socialist Democrats in November.

It wont. Cyclops. It won't.
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MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 04:04 pm
@parados,
Oh, please., paradoz--Just Google"Kill Obama" and "Kill Bush" see what you find.

72,000 entries for "Kill Obama"

21,000,000 entries for "Kill Bush"

I agree that only morons make entries which say the President should be killed. The Secret Service will doubtlessly investigate credible threats, but it is clear from looking at the numbers above that the Acorn, Move-On types have been much more stupid in their threats against Bush than anyone has been against Obama. Besides, haven't you heard? Obama is black. Any threats to kill him would not only be against the law, they would be RACIST. And everybody knows that if you make any kind of a racist comment, especially if you are employed by our big-brother government, you are in great danger of losing your job.

The best way to stifle free speech-Play the race card!!!
MASSAGAT
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 04:16 pm
@plainoldme,
No, plainoldme-I do not know how many right-to-lifers had an abortion.

Do you know?

I do not know how many of Barack Hussein Obama's appointees have criminal records or have been arrested for DUI but I AM SURE THAT IT IS A HIGH NUMBER.

What garbage!! Don't you know that when you make a crazy unsupported statement like that you lose what little credibility you have?
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 04:20 pm
@MASSAGAT,
Those aren't the results that I got.

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Results 1 - 10 of about 23,600 English pages for "kill Bush".

Results 1 - 10 of about 64,600 English pages for "kill Obama".

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When I do a USA only search,

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Results 1 - 10 of about 42,900 English pages for "kill Obama".

Results 1 - 10 of about 18,300 English pages for "kill Bush".

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okie
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 08:37 pm
@MASSAGAT,
MASSAGAT wrote:

I didn't know Bill Maher was a Health-Care Expert? I thought he was just a slimy left wing twerp. Try someone with credentials, plainoldme.

I didn't know Maher was an expert on anything, much less health care.
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MASSAGAT
 
  0  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 12:15 am
@JTT,
try google- its numbers are much higher and I am certain that it is used far more often by more people than USA ONLY search.

I stand by my figures!!!

Just Google"Kill Obama" and "Kill Bush" see what you find.

72,000 entries for "Kill Obama"

21,000,000 entries for "Kill Bush"

firefly
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 01:00 am
@MASSAGAT,
The insurance companies really cannot be trusted.

Quote:

The New York Times
March 28, 2010
Coverage Now for Sick Children? Check Fine Print
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON " Just days after President Obama signed the new health care law, insurance companies are already arguing that, at least for now, they do not have to provide one of the benefits that the president calls a centerpiece of the law: coverage for certain children with pre-existing conditions.

Mr. Obama, speaking at a health care rally in northern Virginia on March 19, said, “Starting this year, insurance companies will be banned forever from denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions.”

The authors of the law say they meant to ban all forms of discrimination against children with pre-existing conditions like asthma, diabetes, birth defects, orthopedic problems, leukemia, cystic fibrosis and sickle cell disease. The goal, they say, was to provide those youngsters with access to insurance and to a full range of benefits once they are in a health plan.

To insurance companies, the language of the law is not so clear.

Insurers agree that if they provide insurance for a child, they must cover pre-existing conditions. But, they say, the law does not require them to write insurance for the child and it does not guarantee the “availability of coverage” for all until 2014.

William G. Schiffbauer, a lawyer whose clients include employers and insurance companies, said: “The fine print differs from the larger political message. If a company sells insurance, it will have to cover pre-existing conditions for children covered by the policy. But it does not have to sell to somebody with a pre-existing condition. And the insurer could increase premiums to cover the additional cost.”

Congressional Democrats were furious when they learned that some insurers disagreed with their interpretation of the law.

“The concept that insurance companies would even seek to deny children coverage exemplifies why we fought for this reform,” said Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California and chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee.

Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia and chairman of the Senate commerce committee, said: “The ink has not yet dried on the health care reform bill, and already some deplorable health insurance companies are trying to duck away from covering children with pre-existing conditions. This is outrageous.”

The issue is one of many that federal officials are tackling as they prepare to carry out the law, with a huge stream of new rules, official guidance and brochures to educate the public. Their decisions will have major practical implications.

Insurers say they often limit coverage of pre-existing conditions under policies sold in the individual insurance market. Thus, for example, an insurer might cover a family of four, including a child with a heart defect, but exclude treatment of that condition from the policy.

The new law says that health plans and insurers offering individual or group coverage “may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion with respect to such plan or coverage” for children under 19, starting in “plan years” that begin on or after Sept. 23, 2010.

But, insurers say, until 2014, the law does not require them to write insurance at all for the child or the family. In the language of insurance, the law does not include a “guaranteed issue” requirement before then.

Consumer advocates worry that instead of refusing to cover treatment for a specific pre-existing condition, an insurer might simply deny coverage for the child or the family.

“If you have a sick kid, the individual insurance market will continue to be a scary place,” said Karen L. Pollitz, a research professor at the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University.

Experts at the National Association of Insurance Commissioners share that concern.

“I would like to see the kids covered,” said Sandy Praeger, the insurance commissioner of Kansas. “But without guaranteed issue of insurance, I am not sure companies will be required to take children under 19.”

A White House spokesman said the administration planned to issue regulations setting forth its view that “the term ‘pre-existing’ applies to both a child’s access to a plan and his or her benefits once he or she is in a plan.” But lawyers said the rules could be challenged in court if they went beyond the law or were inconsistent with it.

Starting in January 2014, health plans will be required to accept everyone who applies for coverage.

Until then, people with pre-existing conditions could seek coverage in high-risk insurance pools run by states or by the secretary of health and human services. The new law provides $5 billion to help pay claims filed by people in those pools.

Federal officials will need to write rules or guidance to address a number of concerns. The issues to be resolved include defining the “essential health benefits” that must be offered by all insurers; deciding which dependents are entitled to stay on their parents’ insurance; determining who qualifies for a “hardship exemption” from the requirement to have insurance; and deciding who is eligible for a new long-term care insurance program.

As originally conceived, most of the new federal requirements would have taken effect at the same time, in three or four years. The requirements for people to carry insurance, for employers to offer it and for insurers to accept all applicants were tied together.

But as criticism of their proposal grew, Democrats wanted to show that the legislation would produce immediate, tangible benefits. So they accelerated the ban on “pre-existing condition exclusions” for children.

Consumers will soon gain several other protections. By July 1, the health secretary must establish a Web site where people can identify “affordable health insurance coverage options.” The site is supposed to provide information about premiums, co-payments and the share of premium revenue that goes to administrative costs and profits, rather than medical care.

In addition, within six months, health plans must have “an effective appeals process,” so consumers can challenge decisions on coverage and claims.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/29/health/policy/29health.html?hpw=&pagewanted=print
roger
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 01:19 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

The insurance companies really cannot be trusted.

Quote:

The New York Times
March 28, 2010
Coverage Now for Sick Children? Check Fine Print
By ROBERT PEAR

The authors of the law say they meant to ban all forms of discrimination against children with pre-existing conditions like asthma, diabetes, birth defects, orthopedic problems, leukemia, cystic fibrosis and sickle cell disease. The goal, they say, was to provide those youngsters with access to insurance and to a full range of benefits once they are in a health plan.




Oh, they meant to. . . . Wonder how many other things "they meant to" say. It's almost as though there should be somekind of amendment process to correct what they "meant to". Oh, wait. . . .
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MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 01:25 am
@firefly,
You may be right, firefly. What is the solution?

l. The government can seize the insurance companies and then they will be required to conform.

Note what the article states:

But, insurers say, until 2014, the law does not require them to write insurance at all for the child or the family. In the language of insurance, the law does not include a “guaranteed issue” requirement before then.

2. Go to the judiciary

Why, this obviously calls for litigation! The villanous insurance companies will probably take this all the way to the Supreme Court. That would be disasterous since litigation takes time, time, time and there is a slight chance that the Republicans could take over one or both Houses of Congress in November 2010 and play all kind of havoc with the Health Care Bill. I am sure that President Obama would veto and changes proposed but I am also certain that the Congress could and would slow down the necessary legislative processes.

3. Noting the paragraph below

William G. Schiffbauer, a lawyer whose clients include employers and insurance companies, said: “The fine print differs from the larger political message. If a company sells insurance, it will have to cover pre-existing conditions for children covered by the policy. But it does not have to sell to somebody with a pre-existing condition. And the insurer could increase premiums to cover the additional cost.”
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It is clear that the President and his team MUST pass legislation forbidding insurance companies from raising their premiums to cover any additional cost. Otherwise, the intent of the legislation to cover poor sick children will be lost.


I am waiting tohear from Republican leaders who wish to cover these poor children. It may be possible that some of them would consent to speed up the coverage of these children if the president and his cronies would renegotiate other parts of the Obamahealthplan that, after all, does not come into play until 2014.

Everything and anything must bedone to cover these children!!!



MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 01:32 am
Could it be that in the rush to pass the bill, almost no one, EXCEPT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, read the monstrosity carefully? If so, the left wingers like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are hoist on their own petard.
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sstainba
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 07:32 am
@MASSAGAT,
MASSAGAT wrote:

It is clear that the President and his team MUST pass legislation forbidding insurance companies from raising their premiums to cover any additional cost. Otherwise, the intent of the legislation to cover poor sick children will be lost.


Clear, huh? So you would like the government to force a private sector company to absorb a huge expense without any way to recoup that money?

I realize it's not something pleasant to think about, but the reality is that we can't do everything for everyone for free.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 08:25 am
IT'S TIME TO REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 08:39 am
@H2O MAN,
You mean RomneyCare.
 

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