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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 12:52 pm
@sstainba,
Quote:
I don't think you actually understand what those statistics say...
what statstics are your referring to?
sstainba
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 01:09 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Quote:
I don't think you actually understand what those statistics say...
what statstics are your referring to?


Quote:

@sstainba,
Quote:
The vast majority of physicians are employees of hospital systems.


I don't know where you get your information.

In 2008, only 19 percent of physicians and surgeons were employed by hospitals.

Quote:

Physicians and surgeons held about 661,400 jobs in 2008; approximately 12 percent were self-employed. About 53 percent of wage"and-salary physicians and surgeons worked in offices of physicians, and 19 percent were employed by hospitals. Others practiced in Federal, State, and local governments, educational services, and outpatient care centers.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm


Approximately 65% of physicians work in private practice settings, either alone or in groups.


The text that accompanies those numbers doesn't clearly state how the groups were separated. Providers working for "wage-and-salary" in "offices of physicians" can still be employees of a hospital system. There are several clinics in my area that fall into this category. That website doesn't explain if this overlap was accounted for or not.
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 05:17 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Another sent me this:

Rose Ann DeMoroExecutive Director, National Nurses United, AFL-CIO and California Nurses Association
Posted: March 23, 2010 08:07 PM
Diary of a Wimpy Health Care Bill
Passage of President Obama's healthcare bill proves that Congress can enact comprehensive social legislation in the face of virulent rightwing opposition. Now that we have an insurance bill, can we move on to healthcare reform?

As an organization of registered nurses, we have an obligation to provide an honest assessment, as nurses must do every hour of every day. The legislation fails to deliver on the promise of a single standard of excellence in care for all and instead makes piecemeal adjustments to the current privatized, for-profit healthcare behemoth.

When all the boasts fade, comparing the bill to Social Security and Medicare, probably intended to mollify liberal supporters following repeated concessions to the healthcare industry and conservative Democrats, a sobering reality will probably set in.

What the bill does provide

-Expansion of government-funded Medicaid to cover 16 million additional low income people, though the program remains significantly under funded. This limits access to its enrollees as its reimbursement rates are lower than either Medicare or private insurance, with the result some providers find it impossible to participate. Though the federal government will provide additional subsidies to states, those expire in 2016, leaving the program a top target to budget cutting governors and legislatures.

-Increased funding for community health centers, thanks to an amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders, that will open their doors to nearly double their current patient volume.

-Reducing but not eliminating the infamous "donut hole" gap in prescription drug coverage for which Medicare enrollees have to pay the costs fully out of pocket.

-Insurance regulations covering members' dependent children until age 26, and new restrictions on limits on annual and lifetime on lifetime insurance coverage, and exclusion of policies for children with pre-existing conditions.

-Permission for individual states -- though weakened from the version sponsored by Rep. Dennis Kucinich -- to waive some federal regulations to adopt innovative state programs like an expanded Medicare.

All of these reforms could, and should, have been enacted on their own without the poison pills that accompanied them.

Where the bill falls short

-The mandate forcing people without coverage to buy insurance. Coupled with the subsidies for other moderate income working people not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid, the result is a gift worth hundreds of billions of dollars to reward the very insurance industry that created the present crisis through price gouging, care denials, and other abuses.

-Inadequate healthcare cost controls for individuals and families.
1. Insurance premiums will continue to climb. Proponents touted a "robust" public option to keep the insurers "honest," but that proposal was scuttled. After Anthem Blue Cross of California announced 39 percent premium hikes, the administration promised to crack down with a federal rate insurance authority, an idea also dropped from the bill.
2. There is no standard benefits package, only a circumspect reference that benefits should be "comparable to" current employer provided plans.
3. An illusory limit on out-of-pocket medical expenses. But even in the regulated state exchanges, insurers remain in control of what they offer and what will be a covered service. Insurers are likely to design plans to attract healthier customers, and many enrollees will likely find the federal guarantees do not protect them for medical treatments they actually need.

-No meaningful restrictions on claims denials insurers don't want to pay for. Proponents cite a review process on denials, but the "internal review process" remains in the hands of the insurers, and the "external" review will be up to the states, many of which have systems now in place that are dominated by the insurance industry with little enforcement mechanism.

-Significant loopholes in the much touted insurance reforms:
1. Provisions permitting insurers and companies to more than double charges to employees who fail "wellness" programs because they have diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol readings, or other medical conditions.
2. Permitting insurers to sell policies "across state lines", exempting patient protections passed in other states. Insurers will likely set up in the least regulated states in a race to the bottom threatening public protections won by consumers in various states.
3. Allowing insurers to charge three times more based on age plus more for certain conditions, and continue to use marketing techniques to cherry-pick healthier, less costly enrollees.
4. Insurers may continue to rescind policies, drop coverage, for "fraud or intentional misrepresentation" -- the main pretext insurance companies now use.

-Taxing health benefits for the first time. Though modified, the tax on benefits remains, a 40 percent tax on plans whose value exceeds $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for families. With no real checks on premium hikes, many plans will reach that amount by the start date, 2018, rapidly. The result will be more cost shifting from employers to workers and more people switching to skeletal plans that leave them vulnerable to financial ruin.

-Erosion of women's reproductive rights, with a new executive order from the President enshrining a deal to get the votes of anti-abortion Democrats and a burdensome segregation of funds, that in practice will likely mean few insurers will cover abortion and perhaps other reproductive medical services.

-A windfall for pharmaceutical giants. Through a deal with the White House, the administration blocked provisions to give the government more power to negotiate drug prices and gave the name brand drug makers 12 years of marketing monopoly against competition from generic competition on biologic drugs, including cancer treatments.

Most critically, the bill strengthens the economic and political power of a private insurance-based system based on profit rather than patient need.

As former Labor Secretary Robert Reich wrote after the vote "don't believe anyone who says Obama's healthcare legislation marks a swing of the pendulum back toward the Great Society and the New Deal. Obama's health bill is a very conservative piece of legislation, building on a Republican (a private market approach) rather than a New Deal foundation. The New Deal foundation would have offered Medicare to all Americans or, at the very least, featured a public insurance option."

Unlike Social Security and Medicare which expanded a public safety net, this bill requires people -- in the midst of the mass unemployment and the worse economic downturn since the Great Depression -- to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket to big private companies for a product that may or may not provide health coverage in return.

Too many people will remain uninsured, individual and family healthcare costs will continue to rise largely unabated and private insurers will still be able to deny claims with little recourse for patients.

If, as the President and his supporters insist, the bill is just a start, let's hold them to that promise. Let's see the same resolve and mobilization from legislators and constituency groups who pushed through this bill to go farther, and achieve a permanent, lasting solution to our healthcare crisis with universal, guaranteed healthcare by expanding and improving Medicare to cover everyone.

Leaders of the National Nurses United have raised many of these concerns about the legislation for months. But, sadly, as the healthcare bill moved closer to final passage, the space for genuine debate and critique of the bill's very real limitations was largely squeezed out.

Much of the fault lies with the far right, from the streets to the airwaves to some legislators that steadily escalated from deliberate misrepresentations to fear mongering to racial epithets to hints of threatened violence against bill supporters.

For its part, the administration and its major supporters shut out advocates of more far reaching reform, while vilifying critics on the left.

Both trends are troubling for democracy, as is the pervasive corruption of corporate lobbying that so clearly influenced the language of the bill. Insurers, drug companies, and other corporate lobbyists shattered all records for federal influence peddling and were rewarded with a bill that largely protected their interests, along with a Supreme Court ruling that will allow corporations, including the health care industry, to spend unlimited sums in federal elections.

Rightwing opponents fought as hard to block this legislation as they would have against a Medicare for all plan. As more Americans recognize the bill does not resemble the distortions peddled by the right, and become disappointed by their rising medical bills and ongoing fights with insurers for needed care, there will be new opportunity to press the case for real reform. Next time, let's get it done right.

Rose Ann DeMoro is executive director of the 150,000-member National Nurses United


Great article. It says everything that needed to be said about the current state of healthcare reform.
Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 05:27 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

A friend sent this to me:

TUESDAY, MARCH 23, 2010
Think The Democrats Just Scored One for the Little Guy? Think Again.

By Robert E. Prasch
Professor of Economics
Middlebury College

* * *

. . . Nothing is given, it is a MANDATE. Now, while the original 'vision' of the bill had subsidies, these are fading rapidly. So, now we have a dramatically underfunded mandate. Solving the lack of insurance by mandating the poor to buy it is, to be blunt, Dickensian. Obama himself stated it very well during the campaign "It is like solving homelessness with a mandate that those living on the streets buy a house". . . . .


What happened to the Barack Obama who campaigned for our votes? Now that he is elected, he is essentially calling uninsured people freeloaders who are gaming the system and must be penalized (with stiff fines added to their tax bill and jail time if they don't pay the stiff fines).
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 05:40 pm
Obama on Mandates:





Obama's current stance:

ABC NEWS INTERVIEW

Obama said, “I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”
Debra Law
 
  2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 05:44 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Obama on Mandates:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoSnqofelsQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idm_cQOG-NQ&feature=related[/youtube]

Obama's current stance:

ABC NEWS INTERVIEW

Obama said, “I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”


IMO, the only ones that TRULY "free ride the system" are insurance companies. They take premiums month after month, year after year, from people . . . and when those people need their insurance the most . . . insurance companies deny coverage forcing these people onto public assistance. That's what happened to my mother. She didn't want the government giving her a "free ride" through taxpayer dollars and the Medicaid system, but she didn't have any choice but to apply when she was dying and her insurance company would not pay for her necessary care.
spendius
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 06:03 pm
@Debra Law,
The bastards.

What some people will do for money beggars belief.
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firefly
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 06:27 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
IMO, the only ones that TRULY "free ride the system" are insurance companies.


I agree completely.

But I'd also add that the pharmaceutical companies "free ride the system" as well. They continue to raise the prices of drugs, with no controls on what amounts to price gouging. Then insurers, particularly those involved in the Medicare Part D prescription drug plan, refuse to pay for certain drugs because they are too expensive, and that forces doctors to change the medications they are prescribing to cheaper drugs, just so their patient can afford some medication. The medication the patient winds up with may not be the medication the treating physician feels is best for that patient, it's the medication that satisfies the insurer in terms of low cost. But a chief culprit in this scenario is the greed of the drug manufacturers.

Unless we can control the cost of prescription drugs, by putting some curbs on the pharmaceutical industry's ability to hike the prices, it is difficult to see how health costs can be contained.

Quote:

The New York Times
November 16, 2009
Drug Makers Raise Prices in Face of Health Care Reform
By DUFF WILSON

Even as drug makers promise to support Washington’s health care overhaul by shaving $8 billion a year off the nation’s drug costs after the legislation takes effect, the industry has been raising its prices at the fastest rate in years.

In the last year, the industry has raised the wholesale prices of brand-name prescription drugs by about 9 percent, according to industry analysts. That will add more than $10 billion to the nation’s drug bill, which is on track to exceed $300 billion this year. By at least one analysis, it is the highest annual rate of inflation for drug prices since 1992.

The drug trend is distinctly at odds with the direction of the Consumer Price Index, which has fallen by 1.3 percent in the last year.

Drug makers say they have valid business reasons for the price increases. Critics say the industry is trying to establish a higher price base before Congress passes legislation that tries to curb drug spending in coming years.

“When we have major legislation anticipated, we see a run-up in price increases,” says Stephen W. Schondelmeyer, a professor of pharmaceutical economics at the University of Minnesota. He has analyzed drug pricing for AARP, the advocacy group for seniors that supports the House health care legislation that the drug industry opposes.

A Harvard health economist, Joseph P. Newhouse, said he found a similar pattern of unusual price increases after Congress added drug benefits to Medicare a few years ago, giving tens of millions of older Americans federally subsidized drug insurance. Just as the program was taking effect in 2006, the drug industry raised prices by the widest margin in a half-dozen years.

“They try to maximize their profits,” Mr. Newhouse said.

But drug companies say they are having to raise prices to maintain the profits necessary to invest in research and development of new drugs as the patents on many of their most popular drugs are set to expire over the next few years.

“Price adjustments for our products have no connection to health care reform,” said Ron Rogers, a spokesman for Merck, which raised its prices about 8.9 percent in the last year, according to a stock analyst’s report.

This year’s increases mean the average annual cost for a brand-name prescription drug that is taken daily would be more than $2,000 " $200 higher than last year, Professor Schondelmeyer said.

And this means that the cost of many popular drugs has risen even faster. Merck, for example, now sells daily 10-milligram pills of Singulair, the blockbuster asthma drug, at a wholesale price of $1,330 a year " $147 more than last year. Singulair is now selling at retail, on drugstore.com, for nearly $1,478 a year.

The drug companies “can charge what they want " it’s not fair,” Eric White, the 42-year-old owner of a small jewelry store in Queens, said as he left a pharmacy recently.

Despite having drug insurance, Mr. White says he now pays $110 a month out of pocket for two brand-name allergy medicines, even as he has cut prices in his jewelry store by at least 40 percent to keep customers coming through the door.

He shook his head. “What can I do?” he said. “I need my medicines.”

The drug industry has actively opposed some of the cost-cutting provisions in the House legislation, which passed Nov. 7 and aims to cut drug spending by about $14 billion a year over a decade.

But the drug makers have been proudly citing the agreement they reached with the White House and the Senate Finance Committee chairman to trim $8 billion a year " $80 billion over 10 years " from the nation’s drug bill by giving rebates to older Americans and the government. That provision is likely to be part of the legislation that will reach the Senate floor in coming weeks.

But this year’s price increases would effectively cancel out the savings from at least the first year of the Senate Finance agreement. And some critics say the surge in drug prices could change the dynamics of the entire 10-year deal.

“It makes it much easier for the drug companies to pony up the $80 billion because they’ll be making more money,” said Steven D. Findlay, senior health care analyst with the advocacy group Consumers Union.

Name-brand prices have risen even as prices of widely used generic drugs have fallen by about 9 percent in the last year, Professor Schondelmeyer said. But name brands account for 78 percent of total prescription drug spending in this country. And as long as a name-brand drug still has patent protection it faces no price competition from generics.

Ken Johnson, senior vice president of the industry association " the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America " criticized the analysis Professor Schondelmeyer had conducted for AARP, saying it was politically motivated.

“In AARP’s skewed view of the world, medicines are always looked at as a cost and never seen as a savings " even though medicines often reduce unnecessary hospitalization, help avoid costly medical procedures and increase productivity through better prevention and management of chronic diseases,” he said.

But Professor Schondelmeyer’s analysis " which found prices for the name-brand drugs most widely used by the Medicare population rising by 9.3 percent in the last year, the fastest rate since 1992 " is in line with the findings of a leading Wall Street analyst, too. The report was released on Monday.

Catherine J. Arnold, a drug industry analyst at Credit Suisse, said her latest study of the nation’s eight biggest pharmaceutical companies showed markedly similar results: list prices rising an average of 8.7 percent in the 12 months ending Sept. 30 " the highest rate of growth since at least 2004.

As does Professor Schondelmeyer, Ms. Arnold based her price calculations on reported wholesale prices and a formula that puts more emphasis on each company’s best-selling drugs.

Ms. Arnold said the prospect of cost containment under health care reform, as well as the tougher business environment, entered into the decisions of manufacturers to raise prices this year.

The industry stands to gain about 30 million customers with drug insurance from the legislation pending in Congress. But the industry also faces the prospect of tougher negotiations from both public and private buyers as the government tries to squeeze savings out of the health system.

“If you’re going to take price increases,” Ms. Arnold said, “here and now might be the place to do that, because the next year and the year after that might be tough.”

Mr. Johnson did not dispute the Credit Suisse study or deny Ms. Arnold’s finding that American drug makers have raised prices at the fastest rate in five years.

He said both studies were incomplete by failing to include rebates that drug makers give distributors. But Ms. Arnold, Professor Schondelmeyer and a 2007 Congressional study of Medicare said the rebates often accrue to the middlemen, not consumers, and higher manufacturer prices lead to higher retail prices.

And the drug industry’s own major consulting firm, IMS Health, has also reported a significant run-up in prices. Back in April, IMS predicted that United States drug sales might actually decline this year.

Billy Tauzin, president of the industry’s trade association, highlighted the gloomy prediction in a June 1 letter to President Obama shortly before striking the deal to cut drug costs by $80 billion. In negotiating the deal, the drug makers argued that they could not afford to give up more than that.

But in October, IMS made an unusual change in the middle of its forecasting cycle, saying it now believed United States sales would grow at least 4.5 percent in 2009 " or $21 billion more than expected six months earlier.

A major reason, IMS said, was higher-than-expected price increases for drugs in the United States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/business/16drugprices.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1269648207-O28doN69gKREYChbBtqctQ
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:50 pm
@Debra Law,
Thanks, Debra. I said the same thing to another friend when I forwarded it to her.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:51 pm
@Debra Law,
Yeah! The insurance industry makes huge profits.
JTT
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 09:06 pm
@plainoldme,
Thanks, Debra. I said the same thing to another friend when I forwarded it to her. a minus one

Yeah! The insurance industry makes huge profits. a minus one

I really gotta wonder who are the brain dead chickenshits who are using these vote ups/vote downs?

okie
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 09:12 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Yeah! The insurance industry makes huge profits. a minus one


And the bureaucrats are huge crooks and waste huge amounts of our tax money. And Obama and his socialist Democrat buddies know how to confiscate our money to buy off their voters. At least I have a choice which insurance company to pay for my services.
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 10:42 pm
@plainoldme,
What %, do you know POM. I've seen 3-5% as the profit margin of insurance companies. Not sure if that's true or not.

If it is, I'd hardly consider that huge. I mean there are probably a hundred industries that make much higher profit margins.
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 10:48 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
I really gotta wonder who are the brain dead chickenshits who are using these vote ups/vote downs?


Another brain dead chickenshit or the same one happens along. Grow some balls fer christ's sakes!
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MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:06 pm
@Advocate,
Why don't you google-"Kill George Bush"--Go ahead-try it. Krugman's claim about extremism is shown to be nonsensical when all of those personal threats are revealed.
MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:20 pm
@Debra Law,
I really don't believe it---The most intelligent and principled president we have ever had would never allow his colleagues in the Senate and House to press for a Health System which has the shortcoming listed below:

Q uote from Debra Law's post

-Significant loopholes in the much touted insurance reforms:
1. Provisions permitting insurers and companies to more than double charges to employees who fail "wellness" programs because they have diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol readings, or other medical conditions.
2. Permitting insurers to sell policies "across state lines", exempting patient protections passed in other states. Insurers will likely set up in the least regulated states in a race to the bottom threatening public protections won by consumers in various states.
3. Allowing insurers to charge three times more based on age plus more for certain conditions, and continue to use marketing techniques to cherry-pick healthier, less costly enrollees.
4. Insurers may continue to rescind policies, drop coverage, for "fraud or intentional misrepresentation" -- the main pretext insurance companies now use.

-Taxing health benefits for the first time. Though modified, the tax on benefits remains, a 40 percent tax on plans whose value exceeds $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for families. With no real checks on premium hikes, many plans will reach that amount by the start date, 2018, rapidly. The result will be more cost shifting from employers to workers and more people switching to skeletal plans that leave them vulnerable to financial ruin.

-Erosion of women's reproductive rights, with a new executive order from the President enshrining a deal to get the votes of anti-abortion Democrats and a burdensome segregation of funds, that in practice will likely mean few insurers will cover abortion and perhaps other reproductive medical services.

-A windfall for pharmaceutical giants. Through a deal with the White House, the administration blocked provisions to give the government more power to negotiate drug prices and gave the name brand drug makers 12 years of marketing monopoly against competition from generic competition on biologic drugs, including cancer treatments.

Most critically, the bill strengthens the economic and political power of a private insurance-based system based on profit rather than patient need.

If this is true, the Democrats must let the public know that the weaknesses in the Bill came only because of the intransigence of the Republican monied interests.

They must meet with their constituents during the Easter Recess and explain to them that the Health Bill produced was weakened only because of the opposition of Wall Street, heartless transnational corporations and the monied classes. The truth must be told!
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MontereyJack
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:27 pm
@MASSAGAT,
"Kill George Bush"--10,100,000 hits "Kill Barack Obama"--20,500,000 hits
MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 27 Mar, 2010 12:05 am
@MontereyJack,
You must live in a different universe than I do, Monterey Jack. When I google, "Kill George Bush" I get a reading of 465,000. When I google "Kill Barack Obama", I get 89,000. Perhaps others can google to verify this.

But, I know you are wrong. Don't you know that it is against the law to threaten the life of the President of the United States? Don't you know that one can be called a (please forgive this word since it is so offensive to the average citizen in almost any context) racist? Don't you know that anyone who can be shown to say such a horrendous thing about our President can be and will be ostracized from decent society?

I am sure that my figures are correct!
okie
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 27 Mar, 2010 07:57 am
@MASSAGAT,
The main thing every single conservative wishes for Obama is that he would resign and actually go get a real job for the first time in his entire life and leave freedom and liberty loving Americans alone, instead of trying to "organize" communities and tell everyone else what to do. Communities are already organized if he would have enough sense to realize it. And this was the greatest country in the history of the world, but apparently he never had enough sense to wake up to that reality either. Essentially, he forgot to grow up. I wish Obama absolutely no ill, in fact any ill that would happen to Obama would be the absolutely worst thing that could happen at this stage of our history. The man is okay, even likeable, but not fit to be president, he is not smart enough, nor does he believe in what the constitution or what America has stood for and should stand for.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Mar, 2010 08:13 am
@okie,
Well, a great many people who describe themselves as liberals now describe Obama as what was once called a moderate Republican, and, that is closer to reality than your charge of socialist. A socialist would never -- let me repeat, NEVER -- have bailed out the stupid and irresponsible banks, insurance companies, etc.
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