IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

Sorry, Cyclo, you CANNOT force a doc to see a patient. He is not required to provide care for anyone who seeks it. Doctors routinely "fire" patients for non-compliance of orders.

Miller wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Miller wrote:

But, how will this PLAN function without participation of American Physicians?

Will the poor folks have to go to Walgreens for their healthcare?

Don't forget, that there are many, many MDs who will not take Medicare or Medicaid insurance and in fact, some will take nothing but cash.

Have you ever wondered how an American physician can see 50-100 patients in a single day??

They won't be allowed to do this any longer.

And who's to stop them? Physicians have the right to reject certain individuals as patients. As a matter of fact, some MDs now refuse treatment to many patients when past history with these individuals indicate they don't wish to follow a physicians order relative to health or are other wise troublesome in the physicians office/clinic or even the ER.

Additionally, some health insurance plans also have the legal right to terminate an individual's policy, when that individual has been found to "cause trouble" for the physician.

Mill and I are beginning to agree!

Sorry, Cyclo, you CANNOT force a doc to see a patient. He is not required to provide care for anyone who seeks it. Doctors routinely "fire" patients for non-compliance of orders.

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Sorry, Cyclo, you CANNOT force a doc to see a patient. He is not required to provide care for anyone who seeks it. Doctors routinely "fire" patients for non-compliance of orders.

This is incorrect information as it is determined by state statutes. It goes against the California Patient Bill of Rights. In Ohio once you are the attending physician you cannot "fire" your patient or stop care by law -- to give just two examples.

Sure you can. You pass laws saying that they are not allowed to refuse medicare or medicaid patients, or whatever we end up calling universal health insurance.

If they don't like it, they lose their licensing and can go do something else for a living.

Not a complicated concept

Cycloptichorn

As a matter of professional ethics, a physician can refuse treatment when a patient does not follow his orders.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Sure you can. You pass laws saying that they are not allowed to refuse medicare or medicaid patients, or whatever we end up calling universal health insurance.

If they don't like it, they lose their licensing and can go do something else for a living.

Not a complicated concept

Cycloptichorn

It's not nearly as simple as you seem to think. You really should spend a little more time to learn about how health care *actually* works instead of relying on the mass-misunderstanding the general population holds.

For instance, my boyfriend has just fired another patient for lying to him. For reference, he is a double-board certified primary care physician, boarded in internal medicine and pediatrics. Anyway, a patient came in a few days ago for something (I don't remember) and Mark asked him a bunch of questions, including if he drank. The guy insisted he did not. I suppose he didn't realize Mark could smell the alcohol, so he added an etoh to the blood panel they were running. Sure enough, he was 2x legal limit. Fired. You will NEVER for a physician to treat people such as this. By doing so, you are forcing the physician to open himself up to legal issues. If Mark had taken the patient's word and ended up prescribing something that interacted with alcohol, Mark would be sued for mal practice.

Like it or not, Cyclo, medcine and health care are FAR more complicated and "gray" than you either understand or are willing to admit.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

As a matter of professional ethics, a physician can refuse treatment when a patient does not follow his orders.

Well, that's interesting - such is threatened with prison (for the physican), and against the professional ethics of physicans here.

But when in Rome ...

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USAFHokie80 wrote:

As a matter of professional ethics, a physician can refuse treatment when a patient does not follow his orders.

Well, that's interesting - such is threatened with prison (for the physican), and against the professional ethics of physicans here.

But when in Rome ...

Like it or not, Cyclo, medcine and health care are FAR more complicated and "gray" than you either understand or are willing to admit.

So she really wants a scrpit for 30x10mg percocet

Percocet 2.5 mg/325 mg - 12 Tablets maximum daily dose

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Like it or not, Cyclo, medcine and health care are FAR more complicated and "gray" than you either understand or are willing to admit.

See Walter's response. They do it in other countries, and they still have doctors and health care.

Your response basically boils down to 'the doctors don't want this.' Tough titty.

Cycloptichorn

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So she really wants a scrpit for 30x10mg percocet

i don't think it's the patients right to decide on the amount or the strength of the medication .
but i see no reason why the physician might not prescribe 30 @ 2.5 mg -
or he could ask his receptionist telephone her physician for advice .
would that be unreasonable ?
hbg

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Percocet 2.5 mg/325 mg - 12 Tablets maximum daily dose

USAFHokie80 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Like it or not, Cyclo, medcine and health care are FAR more complicated and "gray" than you either understand or are willing to admit.

See Walter's response. They do it in other countries, and they still have doctors and health care.

Your response basically boils down to 'the doctors don't want this.' Tough titty.

Cycloptichorn

Did you ever consider the fact that he could be talking about something specific?

Your comment like this are so irritating. You have such a poor understanding of health care and yet seem to think you have all the answers.

So suppose you are a physician (we're pretending here...) and you have a patient that comes in again for "back pain." Here other doctor prescribed her percocet (because she's allergic to tylenol, advil and naprexen) but she has lost her meds and she is here from out of town. Oh no! So she really wants a scrpit for 30x10mg percocet...

What would you do? Prescribe them or tell her no?

This is incorrect information as it is determined by state statutes. It goes against the California Patient Bill of Rights.

hokie wrote :

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So she really wants a scrpit for 30x10mg percocet

i don't think it's the patients right to decide on the amount or the strength of the medication .
but i see no reason why the physician might not prescribe 30 @ 2.5 mg -
or he could ask his receptionist telephone her physician for advice .
would that be unreasonable ?
hbg

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Percocet 2.5 mg/325 mg - 12 Tablets maximum daily dose

hamburger wrote:

hokie wrote :

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So she really wants a scrpit for 30x10mg percocet

i don't think it's the patients right to decide on the amount or the strength of the medication .
but i see no reason why the physician might not prescribe 30 @ 2.5 mg -
or he could ask his receptionist telephone her physician for advice .
would that be unreasonable ?
hbg

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Percocet 2.5 mg/325 mg - 12 Tablets maximum daily dose

Without a medical history/record for this patient no American MD would risk his/her license by presecribing this medication. How does the MD know what her other meds are?

USAFHokie80 wrote:

Miller wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Miller wrote:

But, how will this PLAN function without participation of American Physicians?

Will the poor folks have to go to Walgreens for their healthcare?

Don't forget, that there are many, many MDs who will not take Medicare or Medicaid insurance and in fact, some will take nothing but cash.

Have you ever wondered how an American physician can see 50-100 patients in a single day??

They won't be allowed to do this any longer.

And who's to stop them? Physicians have the right to reject certain individuals as patients. As a matter of fact, some MDs now refuse treatment to many patients when past history with these individuals indicate they don't wish to follow a physicians order relative to health or are other wise troublesome in the physicians office/clinic or even the ER.

Additionally, some health insurance plans also have the legal right to terminate an individual's policy, when that individual has been found to "cause trouble" for the physician.

Mill and I are beginning to agree!

Sorry, Cyclo, you CANNOT force a doc to see a patient. He is not required to provide care for anyone who seeks it. Doctors routinely "fire" patients for non-compliance of orders.

Sure you can. You pass laws saying that they are not allowed to refuse medicare or medicaid patients, or whatever we end up calling universal health insurance.

If they don't like it, they lose their licensing and can go do something else for a living.

Not a complicated concept

Cycloptichorn