IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

Maybe part of the reason your docs are cheaper is that they are gp's and not med docs.

I was listening to the news on TV (I dont remember the station, but I think it was Fox news).

They are saying that Hillary said she would garnishe wages or used mandatory payroll deductions to pay for healthcare.

That worries me.
I dont think the govt shouod be forcing people to buy healthcare.
They can make it available, but they shouldnt be able to take my money and force me into a plan.

mysteryman wrote:

I was listening to the news on TV (I dont remember the station, but I think it was Fox news).

They are saying that Hillary said she would garnishe wages or used mandatory payroll deductions to pay for healthcare.

That worries me.
I dont think the govt shouod be forcing people to buy healthcare.
They can make it available, but they shouldnt be able to take my money and force me into a plan.

Vote Obama then!

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

I was listening to the news on TV (I dont remember the station, but I think it was Fox news).

They are saying that Hillary said she would garnishe wages or used mandatory payroll deductions to pay for healthcare.

That worries me.
I dont think the govt shouod be forcing people to buy healthcare.
They can make it available, but they shouldnt be able to take my money and force me into a plan.

Vote Obama then!

Cycloptichorn

I would, but I still have some reservations about him also.

mysteryman wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

I was listening to the news on TV (I dont remember the station, but I think it was Fox news).

They are saying that Hillary said she would garnishe wages or used mandatory payroll deductions to pay for healthcare.

That worries me.
I dont think the govt shouod be forcing people to buy healthcare.
They can make it available, but they shouldnt be able to take my money and force me into a plan.

Vote Obama then!

Cycloptichorn

I would, but I still have some reservations about him also.

Fair enough. When is Kentucky's primary?

Cycloptichorn

Of course, by then I think it will not matter who gets the most votes, because I think that Hillary will have the delegates to make her the dem nominee.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

Maybe part of the reason your docs are cheaper is that they are gp's and not med docs.

You study medecine here between 65. years (minimum) and more (mostly it last at 8 years).
The you get training in a hospital.
After that you get your 'approbation'.
This qualifies to specialise - after five more years you can undergo your qualification as a GP or whatever = it takes as long to qualify as a GP as to for a surgeon or interior physican or ...

The docto degree takes some more time at university but is not necessary for being qualified - though most have got it.
Leading physicans at larger hospitals have a second doctor gedree and are mostly professors.

If Obama wins most of the delegates in Feb. after super Tues., he's got a great shot at winning Texas and Ohio. Hard to see how that doesn't equate to a trip to the WH for him.

Cycloptichorn

I don't think you understood. Regardless of the time spend in med school, the training is not the same. For instance, I can go to med school for 6 years and become a "Med./Peds Doc" or a "Familiy Med Doc". A med/peds doctor is one that spent a large portion of his time specifically studying internal medicine and pediatric medicine. An FM (or GP) studies a broad range of *very* general things. That's why usually they just refer patients for almost anything. A general practitioner isn't eligible to be board-certified. A family med doc can ONLY be cert'ed for family med unless he wants to go back and do med school over. A med/peds doc can be certified in internal medicine, pediatric medicine, family medicine and a few other things.

Generally, med/ped docs earn more than a general or family doc because of this.

So Canadians can go to the USA, choose their doctor and/or hospital and get all 'free' like the other way around?

I don't think this to be remarkable. (There are thousands or perhaps tenthousands who travel to the UK just for that reason. Per month.)

USAFHokie80 wrote:

I don't think you understood. Regardless of the time spend in med school, the training is not the same. For instance, I can go to med school for 6 years and become a "Med./Peds Doc" or a "Familiy Med Doc". A med/peds doctor is one that spent a large portion of his time specifically studying internal medicine and pediatric medicine. An FM (or GP) studies a broad range of *very* general things. That's why usually they just refer patients for almost anything. A general practitioner isn't eligible to be board-certified. A family med doc can ONLY be cert'ed for family med unless he wants to go back and do med school over. A med/peds doc can be certified in internal medicine, pediatric medicine, family medicine and a few other things.

Generally, med/ped docs earn more than a general or family doc because of this.

I know very well what I wrote.

My father has been a specialist in pneumology and a specialist in interior medicine (both took five years each). With a doctor degree.
My family has a doctor degree, is a specilist in general practise (five years), but has done only three years (of the five) in interior medecine - thus no certificate.
My friend stopped becoming a surgeon after four years and specialised in psychiatry instead. Five years, but no doctor degree. He's now additionally specilising in neurology.
Another friend is an urologist (five years). Doctor degree (plus a kind of, you need that in Germany) a second doctorate as professor; heads the urological department at a medium-seized hospital (and teachs this subject at an univeristy).

You get certified after five years as a medical practioner - same time as any other medical specialist.

You probably didn't get that I'm writing from Germany, I suppose.

Here, in the US, there isn't a "doctor degree." At least, there isn't a singular one. Also, a doctor doesn't get certified by practicing medicine for any amount of time. He is required to take an exam that usually lasts about 8-12 hours.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

Here, in the US, there isn't a "doctor degree." At least, there isn't a singular one. Also, a doctor doesn't get certified by practicing medicine for any amount of time. He is required to take an exam that usually lasts about 8-12 hours.

Funny. I know a few who have got a PhD.

Well, you get that degree after you got your MA (or equivalent), writing a thesis and having some exams.

In medicine, you get certified (so my link above) after having 'learnt' for five years a special 'subject', no matter of you've got a doctor degree in medicine or "only" got the license to practice medicine without one.


['Dr. med' is the degree for medical doctors in human medicine, "Dr. med. dent" for those in dentistry, "Dr. med. vet" for animal medicine]

Doctor of Medicine
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Doctor of Medicine (M.D. or MD, from the Latin Medicinae Doctor meaning "Teacher of Medicine,") is an academic degree for medical doctors.

How the term MD is applied varies between countries - it is a first professional degree (medical diploma) in some countries, for example in the USA and Canada, while in some countries it is a relatively rare higher doctoral academic research degree resembling a PhD, for example in the United Kingdom and Australia.[1]. In the UK and countries following the British model, the equivalent of the American undergraduate degree of MD is the MBChB or MBBS (meaning "Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery" - see later).