IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

au1929 wrote:

C.I, MM.
In a word similar to the method by which social security is collected.

mysteryman wrote:

So those who dont work, or only work for cash, wont have to pay into the system?

Are you also willing to set up a govt agency to keep track of who pays in, so that only those people can get medical care?

Or, are you saying that even those who dont pay can get medical care?

I don't think that you must invent the wheel again - why don't you look at the numerous countries which have such a sytsem? (And I'm not saying that you should copy our system - which works since more than 120 years).

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There are many systems of universal health care in the world today; all we need to do is study each system, and combine what will work for us in the US. Any system once implemented can be revised to improve it.

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mysteryman wrote:

au1929 wrote:
C.I, MM.
In a word similar to the method by which social security is collected.

So those who dont work, or only work for cash, wont have to pay into the system?

Are you also willing to set up a govt agency to keep track of who pays in, so that only those people can get medical care?

Or, are you saying that even those who dont pay can get medical care?

If you are speaking of those who are in a cash business and file an income tax return they will pay the mandated fee as they do their SS payments.
For those who cheat the system and do not file tax returns There will always be some who will try to beat the system .
As to those who do not have the means to pay they will need to be subsidized as they are now. Ref. medicaid.

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And if I choose not to pay?
Am I free to opt out of the system, or will I have no choice in the matter?
Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

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MM
I can only give you my opinion as to the possible ways to extract $'s from such as you. What the final plan looks like I certainly am not in a position to know or determine. However, were it up to me for those who do not pay because the choose not to. If they got sick and could not pay for their own medical needs I would sweep them out with the garbage.

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mysteryman wrote:

And if I choose not to pay?
Am I free to opt out of the system, or will I have no choice in the matter?
Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

I suppose that all depends on what is finally chosen.

Nothing of such you ask/suggest, though, happens in the European systems (at least not in the 125 years we are practising such).

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mysteryman wrote:

And if I choose not to pay?

Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

If you're not paying why should you receive any care at all?

If you want to drive your car, don't you have to buy gas?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hokie, Your "what if's" are meaningless. Get real.

I didn't say "what if" - I said "how about". And it's definitely NOT meaningless. The funding that would provide to the government would be in excess of what is needed to pay for medical care for all those poor souls you are so concerned about.

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Miller wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
And if I choose not to pay?

Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

If you're not paying why should you receive any care at all?

If you want to drive your car, don't you have to buy gas?

Exactly. So why is it that when I say that you get your panties in a knot? I've been saying this the whole time...

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Hokie: And if I choose not to pay?

Looks like "if" to me!

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mm wrote :

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And if I choose not to pay?
Am I free to opt out of the system, or will I have no choice in the matter?

it should probably be handled similar to munipal taxes and federal taxes . if i decide that i don't agree with the way some of the tax money money is being spent I'LL OPT OUT OF PAYING TAXES for those activities (i can think of several) ! Very Happy

i'm sure the tax collectors will understand my position to pay taxes when and how I (!) choose and not the way some government wants me to .
(anyone ready to join my new movement - the line forms to the right - but i do expect you to pay me for the privilage of joining my movement :wink: ) .
please don't alert any canadian taxation authorities to my newly developed ideology - they might think i'm serious Laughing

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hbg

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mysteryman wrote:

Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

You'll probably have HMO health insurance plan and if you do, your choice of Docs will be restricted to the NETWORK. As far as "KIND" of medical care you can get, that'll depend on the plan you select.

If you pay a premium of only $25/month you'll probably be paying a very high co-pay, should you need medical care.

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Miller wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

You'll probably have HMO health insurance plan and if you do, your choice of Docs will be restricted to the NETWORK. As far as "KIND" of medical care you can get, that'll depend on the plan you select.

If you pay a premium of only $25/month you'll probably be paying a very high co-pay, should you need medical care.

That isn't necesarly so. It could be as it is with Medicare. Based upon the plan you choose.

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The funny thing is that we can choose any doctor and any hospital ...

(Some doctors aren't licensed by the health insurances, though.)

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Some peoples heads were attached wrong when they were born. They could never balance how our government spends our tax dollars; some still prefer that we stay in Iraq and spend 2.7 billion every week over spending that money on universal health care. Much of those dollars are not only being wasted, but there is no accountability on where that money is spent/lost.

Yeah, support the war, and damn with helping Americans with health care. We shouldn't be helping poor Americans; it's better to kill Iraqis.

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au1929 wrote:

Miller wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

Will the govt tell me what dr's I can go to, or what kind of medical care I can get?

You'll probably have HMO health insurance plan and if you do, your choice of Docs will be restricted to the NETWORK. As far as "KIND" of medical care you can get, that'll depend on the plan you select.

If you pay a premium of only $25/month you'll probably be paying a very high co-pay, should you need medical care.

That isn't necesarly so. It could be as it is with Medicare. Based upon the plan you choose.

That's what I'm talking about. It will depend on the Medigap plan you pick. Some have low premiums/month but also have huge gaps in covering what Medicare doesn't cover.

Mammography, opthalmology are only two of the gaps usually filled by some of the Medigap plans.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Some peoples heads were attached wrong when they were born. They could never balance how our government spends our tax dollars; some still prefer that we stay in Iraq and spend 2.7 billion every week over spending that money on universal health care. Much of those dollars are not only being wasted, but there is no accountability on where that money is spent/lost.

Yeah, support the war, and damn with helping Americans with health care. We shouldn't be helping poor Americans; it's better to kill Iraqis.

You err in logic on this point, CI. You believe that if we weren't in Iraq, the money now spent there would be spent on health care. Yet, that money was there prior to Iraq and wasn't going into health care.

Basically there's no relationship between the war and healthcare in the USA.

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Miller wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Some peoples heads were attached wrong when they were born. They could never balance how our government spends our tax dollars; some still prefer that we stay in Iraq and spend 2.7 billion every week over spending that money on universal health care. Much of those dollars are not only being wasted, but there is no accountability on where that money is spent/lost.

Yeah, support the war, and damn with helping Americans with health care. We shouldn't be helping poor Americans; it's better to kill Iraqis.

You err in logic on this point, CI. You believe that if we weren't in Iraq, the money now spent there would be spent on health care. Yet, that money was there prior to Iraq and wasn't going into health care.

Basically there's no relationship between the war and healthcare in the USA.

You err in logic as well. That money wasn't 'there' before the war - the whole thing is being paid for with loans.

Cycloptichorn

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miller wrote :

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You err in logic on this point, CI. You believe that if we weren't in Iraq, the money now spent there would be spent on health care. Yet, that money was there prior to Iraq and wasn't going into health care.

so would it be reasonable to assume that the money for health care is still available (since it was there before the iraq war and apparently is not needed for the iraq war) ?
what am i missing ?
hbg

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Cyclo
Indeed the Bush administration has mortgaged our future to fight this idiotic and unnecessary war.

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