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Concentration camps for U.S. citizens

 
 
LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 01:25 pm
Mexica wrote:
woiyo wrote:


Also, you may want to brush up on the definition of bigot is.


I am very familiar with the definitions of the word "bigot," and your attempt to steer this topic, which is about the detention of Palestinian immigrants into a discussion on Mexican illegal immigrants and Mexico's immigration policies is indicative of a person who "stubbornly holds a particular point of view."

Heeellllloooooo, anybody home? What do you think this thread is about? What was the term you used....obtuse?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 01:33 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
What do you think this thread is about?


According to the link given in the very first post by the author of this thread:

about the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas (on the outskirts of Austin, Texas), a private detention facility operated by Corrections Corporation of America. It and a smaller center in Pennsylvania are the only two facilities in the country that are authorized to hold non-Mexican immigrant families and children on noncriminal charges.
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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 01:46 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
What do you think this thread is about?


It was about Palestinian immigrants who were denied political asylum.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 02:03 pm
It's awful what's been done to these Palestinians. Separating the family is nasty and deporting them unfair. But the overriding point of the video is the position that these concentration camps are for American citizens who may dissent American policy. The threat of an American dictatorship that will not allow dissent is real enough for Sandra Day O'Conner to warn us about it. Bushie has been given power to arrest any human being on the planet without charging them and to hold them till they die and even torture them in any way he sees fit. Now that the Dems have control of Congress it's time to take back the Bill of Rights, restore checks and balances and protect the Constitution against any Executive Branch power grab.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 02:17 pm
Mexica wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
What do you think this thread is about?


It was about Palestinian immigrants who were denied political asylum.

Still about illegal immigration though, right?
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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 02:27 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Mexica wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
What do you think this thread is about?


It was about Palestinian immigrants who were denied political asylum.

Still about illegal immigration though, right?


Well I am glad you asked. And I don't think it is. As the Palestinian family doesn't appear to have immigrated illegally. In fact, according to the video, they legally immigrated to the U.S., they are being detained separately and awaiting repatriation.

But the manner in which they are being treated appears to be shameful. And the denial of political asylum seems a poor decision.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:07 pm
Mexica wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Mexica wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
What do you think this thread is about?


It was about Palestinian immigrants who were denied political asylum.

Still about illegal immigration though, right?


Well I am glad you asked. And I don't think it is. As the Palestinian family doesn't appear to have immigrated illegally. In fact, according to the video, they legally immigrated to the U.S., they are being detained separately and awaiting repatriation.

But the manner in which they are being treated appears to be shameful. And the denial of political asylum seems a poor decision.

If they came in on a visitors visa & stayed then they're illegal. As i understand it they asked for political asylun after they got here, they're subject to be accepted or turned down like hundreds of thousands were before them many more will be after them. However, they should've gone to Mexico & waltzed right in, sat right down, & brother....
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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:14 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
However, they should've gone to Mexico & waltzed right in, sat right down,


Agreed.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:18 pm
Re: Concentration camps for U.S. citizens


The above link takes me to a page with a video description as follows"
Description of video from Google:

FEMA Concentration Camp for Families in Taylor, Texas- administered by a mix of ICE, Homeland Security and Private security firms.

I can't watch the video since I am on dial-up and don't wish to spend an hour waiting for it to load. So, I looked for articles about FEMA camps in Taylor TX and only found this one. It doesn't mention anything about Palestinians unless I missed it the first or second time skimming it.

Article about the Taylor, TX situation:

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/concentration-camps-hold-immigrants



Mexica, I'm confused. Can you tell me where you are getting the "Palestinian imigrants who were denied political asylum" content of this thread? I'd like to read up on that too.

Is there a mixup on Google where the description of the video and the content are different?
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:29 pm
There's several links on google to this story, each one that I've read so far starts with "One of the more disturbing stories...." This sounds like the same person wrote the story & they all have latino names.
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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:38 pm
Re: Concentration camps for U.S. citizens
Butrflynet wrote:



Mexica, I'm confused. Can you tell me where you are getting the "Palestinian imigrants who were denied political asylum" content of this thread?


Well it is on the link posted in the initial post. I guess since you're on dial-up you don't want to wait (understandably) to watch it. But that is where I'm getting the info. on the Palestinian immigrants. And I have re-watched part of it and it reports the immigrants as having entered the U.S. legally. Ergo, this thread wasn't about illegal immigrants, as able2know's bigots would have the casual observer believe.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:40 pm
Bigot is a person who is intoleratnt of lifestyles, opinions...
hmmm, that sounds like Mexica.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:48 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
they all have latino names.


They certainly should have real American names like Savageau, Bruchac, Momaday, Little Red Foot or similar to be not on your list of suspicious persons, I suppose.
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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:53 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
they all have latino names.


They certainly should have real American names like Savageau, Bruchac, Momaday, Little Red Foot or similar to be not on your list of suspicious persons, I suppose.


I think she meant "Spanish" surnames. lol
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 03:55 pm
Re: Concentration camps for U.S. citizens
Mexica wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:



Mexica, I'm confused. Can you tell me where you are getting the "Palestinian imigrants who were denied political asylum" content of this thread?


Well it is on the link posted in the initial post. I guess since you're on dial-up you don't want to wait (understandably) to watch it. But that is where I'm getting the info. on the Palestinian immigrants. And I have re-watched part of it and it reports the immigrants as having entered the U.S. legally. Ergo, this thread wasn't about illegal immigrants, as able2know's bigots would have the casual observer believe.


I can understand where the confusion is coming from and why the focus on illegal immigrants. If you put this into a Google search "FEMA concentration camps" you'll get dozens of pages with blogs, articles and comments ranging from illegal immigrants being detained in camps to FEMA Immigrant Concentration Camps a Cover UP-US On Brink of Police State - Camps to Isolate Resisters.


It wasn't until I added Palestinian to the search and came up with this article. I'll quote the whole thing to make it more convenient for people to read what the video apparently was about.

http://texascivilrightsreview.org/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=691&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


Quote:
Palestinian Refugees and Children Held at Hutto Jail
Posted on Monday, December 18 @ 15:54:57 MST by editor


By Greg Moses

CounterPunch / DissidentVoice / UrukNet /
Indymedia Austin, North Texas, Houston /

Some of the children and a pregnant woman being held in an immigration jail in Texas are Palestinian refugees whose families came to the USA with visas, says a Dallas lawyer.

Immigration attorney John Wheat Gibson represents two families that include a pregnant woman and children ages 2, 3, 5, 12, 14, and 17. The families have been incarcerated since their midnight arrests in early November by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

"The children, imprisoned with their mothers, have never been accused of any wrongdoing. Neither have their mothers," says Gibson. "All are Palestinian refugees who entered the U.S. legally, but have been denied asylum."

The fathers were separated from their families, the two-year-old was placed into foster care, and the remaining women and children were sent to the privatized Hutto jail in Taylor, Texas. The education of the school-aged children has been interrupted.

In an affidavit supplied by Gibson, one of the fathers, Adel Said Suleiman, says that he was identified as a refugee by the United Nations before coming to the USA in 1995. He claims that his immigration status has been mishandled by others, but that he has never been accused of any crimes or wrongdoings.

Suleiman's wife, Asma Quddoura, is in the Hutto jail with their son, Ayman, a 17-year-old senior at Arlington's James Bowie High School. Attorney Gibson, who now represents Suleiman, says his client was not provided with due notice of a deportation order.

Suleiman, a diabetic, sits in a chilly cell at the Garvin County Jail, Oklahoma, where the stink from an overflowing toilet "is horrible."

"There is another diabetic, here, too," says the Suleiman affidavit. "The guards bring us evening medication late, after supper, although it should be taken with food. The food served here is dangerous to diabetics, because it is sweet. I asked them to leave the sugar out of my oatmeal, but they refused. I take medication in the morning and because I cannot take it with food my blood sugar is very low."

The second father, Salaheddin Ibrahim, was also separated from his family, including his pregnant wife, Hanan Ahmad. Four of the Ibrahim children--Hamzeh, 14; Rodaina, 12; Maryam, 5; and Faten, 3--are incarcerated with their mother. A two-year-old daughter was placed in foster care. Ibrahim was sent to another Texas jail in Haskell.

At one point, says Gibson, Amad's children "became hysterical when guards wrapped her in wrist and leg chains to take her to the hospital."

"Compare the treatment of the Colombian wife of Georgia State Senator Curt B. Thompson last week," Gibson said.

"She also was under a final order of deportation, but the DHS did not detain her, even though, unlike my clients, she had been hiding from them since November 28, according to Brenda Goodman, writing in the New York Times, December 6."

The privatized Hutto jail was the focus of a walk and vigil last week by Texas activists protesting the incarceration of immigrants and their children.

"Innocent children should not be jailed and forced to live under traumatizing and dehumanizing conditions," said a statement from vigil organizers, Texans United for Families. "It is bad policy and an impractical and inhumane response to a growing refugee crisis. The U.S. should seek alternatives to detention while making sure that it legislates policies that support families and keep them together and out of jail."

Jay Johnson-Castro, a South Texas businessman who earned recognition for his walk protesting the planned border wall, also walked from the nearby Texas Capitol to join the vigil. In a follow-up email, Johnson-Castro encouraged more activism:

"Get access into these so called 'detention centers' which are little more than prison camps that exploit desperate people only to make obscene profits."

The Hutto jail is named after T. Don Hutto, co-founder of Correctional Corporation of America (CCA), the jail's corporate proprietor. In 2004, CCA announced that the jail would be closed for lack of occupancy, but the site was revived as a result of new immigration enforcement policies.

"Although the [Hutto jail] contract does not provide for a guaranteed occupancy," said a December 2005 release from CCA, "the Company expects the facility to be substantially occupied before the end of the second quarter of 2006." Activists say the jail detains 400 immigrants, half of them children.

"We believe this contract represents an important step in this ongoing initiative being undertaken by ICE," stated John Ferguson, president and chief executive officer of CCA, shortly before Christmas last year.

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Mexica
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 04:02 pm
Re: Concentration camps for U.S. citizens
Butrflynet wrote:



I can understand where the confusion is coming from and why the focus on illegal immigrants. If you put this into a Google search "FEMA concentration camps" you'll get dozens of pages with blogs, articles and comments ranging from illegal immigrants being detained in camps to FEMA Immigrant Concentration Camps a Cover UP-US On Brink of Police State - Camps to Isolate Resisters.




I was only responding the link provided by the poster who made the initial post, and I do not recall seeing any links other than the one to which I referred.

Thanks for the article.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 04:06 pm
After reading that article, I'd say that several folks owe Mexica an apology for reacting before watching the video or investigating the subject, and for blindly piling on to that erroneous reaction.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 04:13 pm
Re: Concentration camps for U.S. citizens
Butrflynet wrote:

I can understand where the confusion is coming from and why the focus on illegal immigrants. If you put this into a Google search "FEMA concentration camps" you'll get dozens of pages with blogs, articles and comments ranging from illegal immigrants being detained in camps to FEMA Immigrant Concentration Camps a Cover UP-US On Brink of Police State - Camps to Isolate Resisters.


It wasn't until I added Palestinian to the search and came up with this article. I'll quote the whole thing to make it more convenient for people to read what the video apparently was about.


Several Texas newspapers have reported that - differently, not from agencies. (Not all is online, but at least in the print versions.)
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 04:18 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
they all have latino names.


They certainly should have real American names like Savageau, Bruchac, Momaday, Little Red Foot or similar to be not on your list of suspicious persons, I suppose.

Oh for gawds sake, you know that isn't what i meant. Rolling Eyes
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2007 04:20 pm
Mexica wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
they all have latino names.


They certainly should have real American names like Savageau, Bruchac, Momaday, Little Red Foot or similar to be not on your list of suspicious persons, I suppose.


I think she meant "Spanish" surnames. lol

No, I meant latino
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