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The Iranian Ebrown

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 08:16 pm
fbaezer wrote:
The Iranian fbaezer would write in some Iranian paper that's every now and then closed by the ayatollahs.

The Iranian ebrown_p would vote for the opposition, and rant angrily in the internet.

The Iranian lonestarmadam would be wearing her chador and chanting the Verses of the Holy Quran.

The Iranian Bipolar Bear would be in deep deep trouble with the police.



Do me! Do me!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 08:23 pm
dlowan wrote:
fbaezer wrote:
The Iranian fbaezer would write in some Iranian paper that's every now and then closed by the ayatollahs.

The Iranian ebrown_p would vote for the opposition, and rant angrily in the internet.

The Iranian lonestarmadam would be wearing her chador and chanting the Verses of the Holy Quran.

The Iranian Bipolar Bear would be in deep deep trouble with the police.



Do me! Do me!


Lord how many times have I heard that?
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Diane
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:05 pm
Gawd, there he goes again...
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:24 pm
au1929 wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
The Iranian ebrown has most likely perished in prison after many hours of being tortured for not following the Koran and Sharia.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Exclamation

Ignorance. There is a vibrant dissident society in Iran.

Nobel Prize winner dissident and democracy and women's rights activist Shirin Ebadi has faced government censorship and intimidation. In the past she was placed under house arrests, and once she spent three weeks in prison. But she's not in prison now, and definitely not dead.

There are many like her of lower name recognition. Student activists, womens activists. Theres dissident clerics, even. And lots of regular young people who dont have much up with the regime, like to flirt with the girls while riding their scooters around, and manage to get around with some of Ebrown's feelings without being thrown in jail.

I've tried to occasionally note news items about people like these on Lash's Insights on Iran thread - for example:

  • about Ebadi's triumphant return to Teheran here (and previously also about her here),
  • about an Iranian conference about transsexuality and other works to "combat stigma" of transsexuals (!!) here,
  • about a local nurse who challenged her conservative community and stood for local office to improve womens' and childrens' lives - and was elected, here
  • about the flourishing underground culture of jokes about President Ahmadinejad here
  • about an Iranian activists' drive to gather a million signatures for a petition to improve womens rights, here
Again, these are brave people, and they can face harassment and random retaliation - perhaps they're fired suddenly, or they're taken in by the police and then released again, just to scare them a little - I'm not saying it's a pleasant place, and it's been getting rapidly worse the last few years. The lengthy perestrojka-like period when the President himself (then Khatami) would openly chide conservatives and warn against their influence has passed. They┬┤ve even clamped down on, first, satellite dishes, which had become ubiquitous means for Iranians to keep abreast with international news and soap operas, and then internet, which had been hugely popular among the young.

But note, people were openly using both on a massive scale just a couple of years ago. And the country's own President was openly criticising fundamentalism and corruption just a few years ago. My point being that, even today, and definitely through most of the previous decade, Iran is / has been far more like, say, Brezhnev-era Eastern Europe, than like the Taliban's Afghanistan. Dissidents are harassed, but keep working anyway; critical media are closed down, but appear through some other venue the month after (that wouldnt even have been possible in 1980s Eastern Bloc). Participants in one womens rights demonstration were arrested, but the protest did take place; the director of a municipal transport workers union that had protested was detained, but not, apparently, the other participants - and both of those partial clampdowns in themselves were news, a new development (see this post, in the same thread).

So, in short, the statement that an Iranian ebrown would "most likely [have] perished in prison after many hours of being tortured for not following the Koran and Sharia", as McGentrix put it, is nonsense. Back in the 1980s heyday of Ayatollah Khomeiny's rule, perhaps. Now, or the last ten years? Nonsense.

Another must-read about daily life in Iran, be it a bit dated (I posted it in 2004 in another worthwhile thread, Reform and revolution in Iran): A weeklong journal of a writer in Iran. By Reza Aslan..
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:46 pm
This is what I'd like to imagine my Iranian alter ego as - but I'm not confident in saying that it's who I would be:

A lacksadaisical (sp?) student of arts or the like; someone who's too disgusted with politics to get involved in any kind of organised activity, but grumbles about the assh*les in power with his mates at the cafe. Someone who picks up on any new possibilities to communicate with the outside world, like the suddenly booming internet cafes, and is bummed when they are shut down again. Who reads the critical/opposition newspapers, but wouldnt write in them - partly because he may have only disdain for the conservatives, but views the Khatami-type reformists with suspicion as well, and partly because he just cant be arsed.

Someone who likes music, and is glad you can enjoy modern music widely enough now one way or another, and resents any clampdown on pop music by the Ahmedinejad folks. Who studies medieval arts to find beauty and different world views that are closed in today's society, and may collect some artefacts or other. Who stays away from the mosque except for religious holidays and the like, and then only to please his family. Who might quietly work to get a scholarship abroad perhaps.

A non-political person generally, but one who might get in some minor trouble after all (no scholarship, perhaps) because he did sign his friend's petition for womans rights or something.

Thats more or less roughly how I'd like to imagine my Iranian alter ego, based on what minor stuff I did read about the country. But I'm sure Fbaezer can peg me much better than this Smile .
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 07:33 am
LoneStarMadam wrote:
fbaezer wrote:
I meant the Iranian one, not the American. Smile

I guess i just can't muster enough evil in my thoughts to imagine being an Iranian, probably because I'm so happy & feel fortunate to be an American.


Why do your thoughts have to be evil to imagine being Iranian? Fool in a burka.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 01:04 pm
Dorothy Parker wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
fbaezer wrote:
I meant the Iranian one, not the American. Smile

I guess i just can't muster enough evil in my thoughts to imagine being an Iranian, probably because I'm so happy & feel fortunate to be an American.


Why do your thoughts have to be evil to imagine being Iranian? Fool in a burka.

Fool in a burka, exactly. Can you imagine liveing under a regime that forces women to be covered from head to toe, or even just their head? I can't, nor would I put myself in that situation, maybe you could? I visited Tehran while the shah was still there & once after he was gone, the difference is day & night.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 02:01 pm
Diane wrote:
Gawd, there he goes again...


well gee Diane... if that wasn't a setup what is? Laughing
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 03:02 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Diane wrote:
Gawd, there he goes again...


well gee Diane... if that wasn't a setup what is? Laughing



It WAS, in fact, a request for Fbaezer's wit.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:30 pm
But, my dear bunny wabbit, the bear is right. Did anyone who knows him think he would be able to let that one pass? Just think, when sexy bunny wabbit says "Do me," the bear is going to be right on the spot with his willingness to help in any way possible. Poor bear, always sasses, even by me who finds him extremely funny.

I also love it when you get into arguements. You are a master, Ms. Wabbit at quick wit and exellent arguing skills. If I sort of urge on a bit of a tiff, I was absolutely on purpose!
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