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Self-defense against rapists

 
 
Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 09:42 am
The man who taught a recent self-defense class has a female friend who was attacked last year in the parking garage at her worksite one night after work and taken to an abandoned house and raped. He started a women's group and began teaching these classes soon after.

The man is a black belt in karate and trains twice a year with Steven Segal. He and the others in this group interviewed several rapists and date rapists in prison about what they look for. They learned the following facts:

The #1 thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid, or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are as not common targets.

The #2 thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly. The #1 outfit they look for is overalls because many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing and on overalls the straps can be easily cut.

They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their
purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.

The time of day men are most likely to attack and rape a woman is in the
early morning, between 5 and 8:30 a.m. The number one place women are abducted from/attacked at is grocery store parking lots. Number two is office parking lots/garages. Number three is public restrooms.

The main thing about these men are looking for is a woman they can grab and quickly move to a second location where they don't have to worry about getting caught. Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years. If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it
because it will be time-consuming.

These men said they will not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other
similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands. Keys
are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker
to use them as a weapon.

So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it. Several defense mechanisms he taught are:

* If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with
you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk, I can't believe it is so cold out here, we're in for a bad winter. Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a lineup, you lose appeal as a target.

* If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you
and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists this man talked to said
they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not
be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target. If you
carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it
with him wherever he goes), yelling "I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY" and holding
it out will be a deterrent.

* If someone grabs you, you can't beat them with strength but you can
by outsmarting them. If they grab your wrist, pull your wrist back so your
hand is in waving position (palm facing forward) and twist it toward
yourself and pull your arm away. It is hard to hold onto wrist bones that are moving in that way. They stumble toward you and you stumble back, so you can use that momentum to bring the same hand out and backhand them with your knuckles in the forehead, nose, or teeth.

* If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker
either under the arm between the elbow and armpit or in the upper inner
thigh. HARD. One woman in a class this man taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so
upset she broke through the guy's skin and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it. It hurts.

*After the initial hit, always go for the groin. If you hit a guy's testicles, it is extremely painful. You might think that you'll piss the guy off and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble and he's out of there.

* When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and
bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on
them as possible. The instructor demonstrated this without using much pressure and his partner ended up on his knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your
surroundings, take someone with you if you can, and if you see any odd
behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.

This is simple information that could save your life.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:12 am
Thanks for the post BBB. It's always good to review this kind of stuff.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:45 am
Date Rape is the most common form of rape (78%) with 1 in 4 girls expected to fall victim to rape or attempted rape before they reach 25, and 3 out of 5 rapes occuring before a woman reaches age 18. (Sources: Rape Statistics, Rape Statistics 1992)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:21 pm
Yeah - I was just going to say that.

This sort of stuff is fine, in its way - but the reality of rape is generally otherwise.

Mind you, in my case, it has been attempted stranger rape - (NEVER experienced anything untoward from a fella I have known) - and fighting got me out of it all 3 times - including with a group of guys, once - so I am all for it.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:26 pm
This specific email has been debunked -- I don't remember right now where I found it, will have to search a bit when I come back.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:34 pm
yes - I remember reading that it had been debunked - and I felt it important to add - given that a percentage of people reading this are likely to have experienced rape, and that one of the most common reactions to this is to feel intense, (but misplaced) guilt - often for NOT fighting - that it is absolutely normal and reasonable to simply freeze - LOTS of people do, and it is a strongly inbuilt survival strategy for human beings in extreme situations.

I have worked in a rape service, and most of the people we saw had simply frozen - as many years of evolution had dictated that they should.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 09:12 pm
Found it!

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/selfdefense.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 09:17 pm
"Debunked" may be too strong, but serious questions are raised. This kind of encapsulates what concerns me about it (from the link above):

Quote:
Most of what I read was what we call "fear-based" teaching. Most modern women's self-defense instructors use an empowerment based teaching model.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 10:13 pm
Tis is an act of violence, not sex. You should be expected to meet it with violence. This individual has determined that you are a victim of their violent behaviour, you CAN fight back.

Don't shout "HELP!", waste of time. You should shout "RAPE!", "FIRE!", "FREE BEER!" - anything that will attract attention and increase your chances of rescue.

If you are grabbed around the throat from the front, grab and break they're small fingers. Held by the neck from behind, roll your throat into the crook of their arm to protect your windpipe and go for the small fingers. At the same time rake down their legs with your shoes.

If they have you on the ground and trying to subdue you - they will probably leave their groin open. If they are standing, steady yourself with one leg and use the other to kick.

Gouge eyes & strike the nose, it's very painful.

Pretty gross, but effective. Crap yourself, throw it around if you have to. Should make you a little less 'desirable'.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:17 pm
--== RANT COMING -- PERSONAL OPINION ==--

A woman I dated for a while got into martial arts, eventually got a black belt and volunteered as a female bodyguard at Planned Parenthood. She'd escort patients through picket lines and past the right-to-lifers who were intent on physical violence.

Going out to her car one day, she found a man breaking into it. He took a piece of broken glass and came at her. Two warnings, then she broke his collarbone, nose, two ribs, and shattered his kneecap. Months of expensive rehab for him, and he'll never really walk straight again.

That's the moment I knew I was in love! She is not ruled by fear. Any woman can learn to take care of herself, with even just a two-day street-fighting course. Not Aikido or Karate or Judo, but down-and-dirty street fighting. There are classes that will teach a 90-pound woman how to take down a 300-pound linebacker just like that. Knowledge and practice are far more important than strength!

I'm so very tired of weak, helpless women who look at me in fear. That look in their eyes accuses me of rape, and their fear convicts me of it, regardless of how nice I am and before I ever get a chance to give her a flower or write her a poem. Capable, competent and knowledgeable women don't have this fear, and what I find in their eyes instead is love.

Adults take charge. Every woman should be able to walk with confidence and safety and independence wherever she goes. Please take a course.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 08:16 pm
CodeBorg ended his self-described rant with the following:

"Adults take charge. Every woman should be able to walk with confidence and safety and independence wherever she goes. Please take a course."

should, should, should: the tyranny of the shoulds!

Did you ever think that a woman might fight back and still get raped?
Did you ever think that a man might hold a gun on a woman?
Did you ever think your attitude contributes to the inability of women to report a rape?
Did you ever think?


So, the moment you knew you fell in love with someone was the moment she attacked a man as he attempted to break into her car? You call that 'not being ruled by fear'? Rolling Eyes

I am so glad I have never been involved with someone so lacking in compassion...my goodness, do you really think such situations are so simple and clear-cut? Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 09:26 pm
My girlfriend did not attack the man. The man attacked her, persistently, and then she took charge of the situation and put an end to it. Let me make this clear: I fell in love with her because she strives for her full potential.

Also, I'm using her incident as an example of what can be done, so people won't keep repeating "I am helpless" like some mantra they are practicing over and over until they can get it right.

Women are smart, talented, able, and powerful, so I am criticizing society, not women. Any society that encourages women to be weak and helpless is not going to function very well.

I know many women who refuse to study and improve themselves, and I won't put up with it. Everyone needs to learn self-defense, to deal with the harsh realities of life. It's just my opinion, but I believe women should improve themselves as much as they can (not just men), and that *anyone* who immediately assumes they are helpless victims, already are before they even leave their house. Please give me one good argument why a woman should not try to improve her abilities.

My attitude *contributes* to women reporting rapes. Taking charge means doing everything in ones ability to effect the situation. At least do what we can! A two-day course is well worth the time, and most folks don't realize how effective it can be!

People are raped every day, men, women, and children. Every individual case is different, so the person involved (not victim, but person) must use their best judgement to decide whether to fight, flee, talk, or walk. That tactic is taught as part of a course. Why not study it?

A class taught by a professional (as opposed to getting sketchy info from articles here and there) will teach you how to deal with a gun. Where can you learn to face a gun any better than from a trained professional? That's exactly why one should take a course! Why not study it?

If a woman insists on walking with low self-esteem, vulnerability, and meek dependence, that is her choice. I will still encourage and help her to be as capable as possible, because that's how unthinking and inconsiderate I am. I want people to be capable and free.

I'm not implying blame for anything on anyone. On the street, there's no such thing as blame. It doesn't exist. But for every bit of anger or frustration or helplessness that I feel, I just try to take action and make things better. We can complain about the world as much as we want, but we still have to deal with it. You may disagree, but I believe a course is a good use of ones time and energy.



Is there a better approach? I'm looking for constructive suggestions for things people can do.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 09:47 pm
No matter how you approach it, women, for the main are not going to be able to fight off a man, because the rapist is, as you say, looking for opportunity. He does not strike unless he feels certain he can prevail. There are countless examples of trained women fighting off their attackers, that's true. But nobody can be on guard every second of the time. There are many women who cannot master the martial arts, who would be unable to overcome an attacker. I have not made a study of all the ways to react to a rapist, but I know there are several schools of thought on it.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:30 pm
What should the young girl do when a relative forces himself upon her? Tae kwan do?

The elderly woman who is attacked in her home? Jui jitsu?

This is sort of like burning the poppy fields to curb drug use. There's a little something underlying that's being ignored....

Perhaps the course that needs to be taken is the one where all men are taught to build their self-esteem in ways that will prevent the kinds of frustrations that result in attacks on women.

To empower them to have an permanent and unshakeable respect for all women.

Self-defense training is fine, as far as it goes.

But it is a band-aid. The cure requires stronger medicine than a judo punch.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 05:04 am
Good one, PDiddie
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:20 am
Stop it right now, CodeBorg.

Your reasoning fuels the ill-founded guilt that so many women experience after being victimized. Yes, I said victimized. Let's not forget that the rapist is a criminal. It's not the woman's fault for being in a "dangerous" place, for "keeping the wrong company," for "dressing suggestively," or for "not knowing simple self-defense." The rapist is the one at fault.

Always.

Period.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:42 am
PDiddie and EB: God bless you for your responses. I just didn't know how to respond to CodeBorg and you were there. It's wonderful to know that at least both of you have brains, heart and decency. God bless you!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:57 am
de nada
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 01:34 pm
It is difficult to know what one would do in a given situation. While women can be circumspect about their surroundings and their vulnerabilities, it is not clear cut what protects against a rapist or attacker.

I had an experience many years ago where someone attempted to rape me. I was very young and drunk (silly!) and had allowed this young man to walk me home when I really didn't know him. I was lucky in that he had no weapon apart from his size and strength. Although he was physically able to hold me, I did get angry enough to bite him and then I threw up all over him and myself. I learned some very valuable lessons that night and I am thankful it didn't turn out differently, but what would I have done if he had held a knife to my throat?
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 01:55 pm
Precisely, Heeven; and BTW, God bless you as well!

Guess what? I have a magnet on my refrigerator that uses your signature line :wink: .
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