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Ronald Reagan, a moron or a genius?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 07:12 pm
"Facts are stupid things." -- Ronald Reagan, 1988, a misquote of John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things."
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 07:28 pm
Setanta wrote:
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Believe what you like, George--i told you i'm not going through this again with you, and that is precisely because of how increasingly condescending and nasty you get when anyone questions your cherished sacred cows. There are, apparently, many aspects of rhetorical forensics which the Jesuits were unable to inculcate in you, and restraint in the presence of penetrating criticism of your thesis is one of them.


I will always defer to you Setanta in any contest involving conescension and nastiness.

I do believe I have - and exercise - the restraint. I just didn't observe any "penetrating criticism".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 08:32 pm
You may have learned to exercise restraint . . . however, you became so nasty the last time we discussed this topic, that i refuse to be drawn into a point by point argument with you.

As for penetrating criticism, i pointed out that you have contradicted your own thesis--i have not the least doubt that you are unwilling to "see" that.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 08:46 pm
dlowan wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Ronald Reagan is smarter in death than most of the people that hate him are in life.



Hmmmmm........I'd be more ready to accept an argument that he was smarter in death than all the people that love him are in life...especially with a perfect exemplar posting right in front of me.

I would stoop tp your level (if I could get that far down in the gutter) & tell you exactly what you are, but you're just not worth my time.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:12 pm
http://www.whitehouse.org/kids/images/reagan-chesterfield-1.jpg
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:23 pm
dyslexia wrote:
"Facts are stupid things." -- Ronald Reagan, 1988, a misquote of John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things."


Are you guys just jealous? I know Carter is working full time trying to establish a decent legacy, and Clinton's is "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". Reagan has a respectable legacy, sorry, you can't eliminate it.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:38 pm
Carter's won a Nobel Prize. His legacy is assured, except among the small-minded.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:41 pm
okie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
"Facts are stupid things." -- Ronald Reagan, 1988, a misquote of John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things."


Are you guys just jealous? I know Carter is working full time trying to establish a decent legacy, and Clinton's is "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". Reagan has a respectable legacy, sorry, you can't eliminate it.

Okie, I suggest you read my signature line, it was written by a conservative republican who is certainly one of the most respected politicians of my lifetime. The former senator from the state of Wyoming.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:44 pm
More on Reagan's ineptness
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 10:02 pm
Hey, Ronnie Reagan made Jelly Belly candy famous! What can we say about GW Bush?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 10:03 pm
edgar, The artist that stuck that cigarette into Ronnie's mouth did a piss-poor job. he he he...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 10:10 pm
It looks like it's not even in there, CI.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 10:36 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
dlowan wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Ronald Reagan is smarter in death than most of the people that hate him are in life.



Hmmmmm........I'd be more ready to accept an argument that he was smarter in death than all the people that love him are in life...especially with a perfect exemplar posting right in front of me.

I would stoop tp your level (if I could get that far down in the gutter) & tell you exactly what you are, but you're just not worth my time.



Really? I am sorry to hear that.


Never mind, I am sure, if you keep reaching up, you will get to the gutter...and after that, perhaps even the curb will not be beyond your grasp?



Funny Quotes by President Ronald Reagan
"My fellow Americans. I'm pleased to announce that I've signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes." –joking during a mike check before his Saturday radio broadcast

"It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?"

"I hope you're all Republicans." -speaking to surgeons as he entered the operating room following a 1981 assassination attempt

"Honey, I forgot to duck." -to his wife, Nancy, after surviving the assassination attempt

"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency — even if I'm in a Cabinet meeting."

"Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession.
I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised. They're all individual countries"

"I don't know. I've never played a governor." –asked by a reporter in 1966 what kind of governor he would be

"Facts are stupid things." –at the 1988 Republican National Convention, attempting to quote John Adams, who said, "Facts are stubborn things"

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."

"They say hard work never hurt anybody, but I figure why take the chance."

"There is absolutely no circumstance whatever under which I would accept that spot. Even if they tied and gagged me, I would find a way to signal by wiggling my ears." –on possibly being offered the vice presidency in 1968

"You can tell a lot about a fella's character by whether he picks out all of one color or just grabs a handful." –explaining why he liked to have a jar of jelly beans on hand for important meetings

"I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience." -during a 1984 presidential debate with Walter Mondale

"The state of California has no business subsidizing intellectual curiosity." –responding to student protests on college campuses during his tenure as California governor

"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources."

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."

"We are trying to get unemployment to go up, and I think we're going to succeed."

"As a matter of fact, Nancy never had any interest in politics or anything else when we got married."

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."

"I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." –refusing a gift of a mule

"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."

"How are you, Mr. Mayor? I'm glad to meet you. How are things in your city?" –greeting Samual Pierce, his secretary of Housing and Urban Development, during a White House reception for mayors

"My name is Ronald Reagan. What's yours?" –introducing himself after delivering a prep school commencement address. The individual responded, "I'm your son, Mike," to which Reagan replied, "Oh, I didn't recognize you."

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, you coast for awhile, you have a hell of a closing."

"What does an actor know about politics?" –criticizing Ed Asner for opposing American foreign policy

"What makes him think a middle-aged actor, who's played with a chimp, could have a future in politics?" -on Clint Eastwood's bid to become mayor of Carmel

"How can a president not be an actor?" -when asked "How could an actor become president?'
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2006 02:18 pm
Ronald Reagan's Bloody "Apocalypto"
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/121706D.shtml
"Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto,' a violent capture-and-escape movie set 500 years ago in a brutal Mayan society, ends ironically when European explorers arrive and interrupt the final bloody chase," says Robert Parry. "An even greater irony, however, may be that the US media has done a better job separating fact from fiction about Gibson's movie than in explaining to Americans how some of their most admired modern politicians, including Ronald Reagan, were implicated in a more recent genocide against Mayan tribes in Central America."
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