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Why not Hiilary Clinton for president?

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au1929
 
Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:11 am
Hillary Clinton.
There are presently several threads on this forum related to prospective candidates for the 2008 presidential election. Time and time again many pan Hillary Clinton. However, very seldom if ever does anyone give reasons why they are so vehemently against her election to president.
I have but one question, Why? what do you find objectionable about Hillary Clinton presidency?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:28 am
Re: Why not Hiilary Clinton for president?
au1929 wrote:
Hillary Clinton.
There are presently several threads on this forum related to prospective candidates for the 2008 presidential election. Time and time again many pan Hillary Clinton. However, very seldom if ever does anyone give reasons why they are so vehemently against her election to president.
I have but one question, Why? what do you find objectionable about Hillary Clinton presidency?


She tries to play both ends against the middle. She attempts to be a centrist like Bill but doesn't have the charisma or charm to pull it off.

Her speaking voice is annoying and grates upon my ears; she doesn't have the comfortable style she needs in order to be a good orator.

Even more so, the majority of Republicans are dead-set against her, and many Liberals such as myself are as well, because she's more than half a Republican anways.

Even more so, I don't think she's electable. At all. It would be a waste of time and money. We're far better off running Wesley Clark or Barak Obama. And I will fight against her nomination tooth and nail.

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:31 am
Hillary will crack down on flag burners but good.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:39 am
Re: Why not Hiilary Clinton for president?
au1929 wrote:
However, very seldom if ever does anyone give reasons why they are so vehemently against her election to president.


You do say "very seldom" as opposed to "never," but I've given my reasons so often that I hesitate to say them all yet again. If you do a search for posts by me containing the word "Hillary," you'll find them (and there has to be in the multiple pages' worth by now).

Cycloptichorn summarizes things pretty well. I place more emphasis on the second part of what he says -- I don't think I would mind a Hillary Clinton presidency as much as he would, but I am extremely skeptical of her ability to get there in the first place. She carries way too much baggage and is way too polarizing.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:41 am
Re: Why not Hiilary Clinton for president?
Cycloptichorn wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Hillary Clinton.
There are presently several threads on this forum related to prospective candidates for the 2008 presidential election. Time and time again many pan Hillary Clinton. However, very seldom if ever does anyone give reasons why they are so vehemently against her election to president.
I have but one question, Why? what do you find objectionable about Hillary Clinton presidency?


She tries to play both ends against the middle. She attempts to be a centrist like Bill but doesn't have the charisma or charm to pull it off.

Her speaking voice is annoying and grates upon my ears; she doesn't have the comfortable style she needs in order to be a good orator.

Even more so, the majority of Republicans are dead-set against her, and many Liberals such as myself are as well, because she's more than half a Republican anways.

Even more so, I don't think she's electable. At all. It would be a waste of time and money. We're far better off running Wesley Clark or Barak Obama. And I will fight against her nomination tooth and nail.

Cycloptichorn


Doesn't have the charisma or charm , Her speaking voice is annoying and grates upon my ears;
You have got to have better reasons than that top disqualify her.

Question is she smart enough. Does she have the experience? Do not agree wuith her political thinking and policies. Those are valid reasons to not vote for her. Not Charisma or the sound of her voice.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:44 am
Re: Why not Hiilary Clinton for president?
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Hillary Clinton.
There are presently several threads on this forum related to prospective candidates for the 2008 presidential election. Time and time again many pan Hillary Clinton. However, very seldom if ever does anyone give reasons why they are so vehemently against her election to president.
I have but one question, Why? what do you find objectionable about Hillary Clinton presidency?


She tries to play both ends against the middle. She attempts to be a centrist like Bill but doesn't have the charisma or charm to pull it off.

Her speaking voice is annoying and grates upon my ears; she doesn't have the comfortable style she needs in order to be a good orator.

Even more so, the majority of Republicans are dead-set against her, and many Liberals such as myself are as well, because she's more than half a Republican anways.

Even more so, I don't think she's electable. At all. It would be a waste of time and money. We're far better off running Wesley Clark or Barak Obama. And I will fight against her nomination tooth and nail.

Cycloptichorn


Doesn't have the charisma or charm , Her speaking voice is annoying and grates upon my ears;
You have got to have better reasons than that top disqualify her.

Question is she smart enough. Does she have the experience? Do not agree wuith her political thinking and policies. Those are valid reasons to not vote for her. Not Charisma or the sound of her voice.


Sorry, but I think that this has more to do with whether or not she will be elected than most anything else.

Hillary isn't stupid, she would muddle through the job the way a lot of presidents do. But she isn't a leader. She won't unite people, bring them together. She won't even unite the Dems, let alone all the people in the US.

I forgot my best reason! Here it is:

Can we please, please, have a president who isn't related to someone who has been president in the last 20 years? Our system isn't supposed to work this way...

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:52 am
Where is Hillary on immigration control? I seem to recall that she takes a soft position.

I think that the immigration issue could be a major determinative in the election.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:53 am
sozobe

Do I read you correctly? You do not want her to be a candidate because you believe she could not win.

If elected do you think she has the qualifications and experience needed?
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Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 10:58 am
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/F/C/hillary_closer.jpg

I'd vote for that kid when he/she grows up.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:13 am
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:32 am
Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq, and then compounded her error by explaining her vote in such a way that called into question her judgment, if not her sanity. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, she still supports the war in Iraq.

In comparison to that, her shameful support of a constitutional amendment banning flag burning is but a minor faux pas.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:34 am
au1929 wrote:
sozobe

Do I read you correctly? You do not want her to be a candidate because you believe she could not win.


Yes, that's correct. I don't think the Democrats should mess around with a candidate who can't win -- and I think that unless the Republican opponent is a lame duck, she can't win. That's not a minor quibble, that's a very serious problem.

To take another example, I like Russ Feingold a great deal (a lot more than Hillary) but I don't think he can win. Therefore, I don't want him to be the Democratic nominee.

In terms of Hillary's experience, except for the first lady bit it's all been in New York. That's fine, but her popularity there says very very little about how she would do nationwide.

Again, if she does get the Democratic nomination, I will vote for her. But I am fervently hoping she does not get the nomination, because I think her nomination would ensure a Democratic loss and I don't think that's good for the country.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:44 am
sozobe
That it seems is the prevailing reason. There is no question that if everyone will not support her candidacy because they feel she can't win.There is no doubt she won't, it is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:48 am
au1929 wrote:
sozobe
That it seems is the prevailing reason. There is no question that if everyone will not support her candidacy because they feel she can't win.There is no doubt she won't, it is a self fulfilling prophecy.


Do you have a problem with this?

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:53 am
I know what you mean. I've researched this pretty thoroughly though and I remain convinced that Hillary should not be the Democratic nominee. So if you have 1) a self-fulfilling prophecy vs. 2) knowingly encouraging a Democratic loss. Do you ignore the second just because you want to avoid the first?

I'll continue to research and read and talk to people and pay close attention to which way the wind is blowing and my mind may well change. Right now, I think her candidacy is a terrible idea.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:57 am
Cycloptichorn

What I am still looking for are reasons why Hillary Clinton should not be president. "Qualifications ".

If that reasoning prevailed in 48 Truman would never have been elected.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 12:14 pm
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn

What I am still looking for are reasons why Hillary Clinton should not be president. "Qualifications ".

If that reasoning prevailed in 48 Truman would never have been elected.


I already gave you a long list of reasons why she should not be present; and yes, her lack of charisma and poor oratory abilities are a large part of this.

As for qualifications, as Joe Nation said, her support for the Iraq war disqualifies her from being the Democratic presidential nominee in my opinion.

Cycloptichorn
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 12:27 pm
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn

What I am still looking for are reasons why Hillary Clinton should not be president. "Qualifications ".

If that reasoning prevailed in 48 Truman would never have been elected.

When Truman was elected, he was the incumbent president of the United States. I can think of no better qualification for the office of president of the United States.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 01:57 pm
Hillary Clinton is a socialist, for one thing, the most important thing for my reason of not wanting her to be president. She talks out of both sides of her mouth, she is a firm believer in "win by any means necessary', AND she has proven several times that she can be walked on by a man. She isn't strong enough mentally to run this country. I'm not saying she isn't intelligent enough, she's not strong enough.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 02:16 pm
Clinton-Obama Ticket Stirs Fear in GOP
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