Billy beer was a failure

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

edited because LSM is not worth talking to.

Um, I don't believe that the thread was dedicated to you, so move along....or not, you don't have much to offer anyway, so, ta

Carter threads by such as LSM.

I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

Carter threads by such as LSM.


I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

dlowan wrote:

Carter threads by such as LSM.

I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

False. As a matter of fact, the other day I caught the O'Reilly Factor the other night and he was bitching up a storm because somebody called up a program Carter was on and called him a bigot and an Anti-Semite. O'Reilly made it very clear that he thought any ex-President should be treated with more respect than that. The actual reason he's getting attention again is because he's very publicly promoting his new book.

dlowan wrote:

Carter threads by such as LSM.


I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

deb

Interesting, isn't it? I spoke with georgeob about this a bit. He offered up some "historical" reasons which he felt justified a negative appraisal of Carter's tenure. I'm not familiar enough with the events to argue a case pro or con.

But, two other things are fairly clear in all this. First, Carter has been speaking out publicly in criticism of the present administration. This constitutes something of a break in unwritten protocol - ex presidents are to refrain from criticize sitting presidents (some good reasons for this). But it isn't the protocol break which makes him a target, it is simply that he criticizes the Bush administration. Anyone who does this becomes an immediate target for derogation. It's the authoritarian bully thing these folks get up to as a fundamental response and policy.

The second aspect relates to, as I see it, the creation and maintenance of the Reagan myth. Reagan is the modern conservative movement's version of Lincoln and Moses and the Brave Heroic Warrior rolled up in a neat package. He (in this myth) led conservatives out of the wilderness and to the promised land, beat the Russkies single handed, took on the evil latino commies to the south (funding righteous death squads and other stuff), invited Jesus into government, and made lotsa room in important corners of his administration for many of the people who went on to bring America to its present state of divine militarism. And cracked jokes too. But this story had to be contrasted with some oppositional story and characters - that was Carter and liberalism.

Carter threads by such as LSM.


I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

dlowan wrote:

Carter threads by such as LSM.

I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

False. As a matter of fact, the other day I caught the O'Reilly Factor the other night and he was bitching up a storm because somebody called up a program Carter was on and called him a bigot and an Anti-Semite. O'Reilly made it very clear that he thought any ex-President should be treated with more respect than that. The actual reason he's getting attention again is because he's very publicly promoting his new book.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

dlowan wrote:

Carter threads by such as LSM.

I assume Fox has declared war on Carter?

What the hell do they think to gain by this?

False. As a matter of fact, the other day I caught the O'Reilly Factor the other night and he was bitching up a storm because somebody called up a program Carter was on and called him a bigot and an Anti-Semite. O'Reilly made it very clear that he thought any ex-President should be treated with more respect than that. The actual reason he's getting attention again is because he's very publicly promoting his new book.

bill

I'll wager you cannot find another such instance on fox. And I'll also wager that along with Billy's courteous nod to protocol that he said nothing positive at all about Carter or his opinions.

You are right, the main reason he is getting attention right now is the appearances he's making to shop his book. But of course, if the book and Carter's interviews said only nice things about Bush, the Fox coverage would be 180 degrees reverse.

You guys c rack me up.

Whatevah happened to the discussion of William's brew?

Merry Andrew wrote:

You guys c rack me up.

Whatevah happened to the discussion of William's brew?

I hate beer.


l l

from anywhere but the US that is incomprehensible.

Oh well.

It [the report on Diana's death investigation] does, however, contain one intriguing nugget, apparently. Reports last night claimed that the US secret service was bugging the Princess's telephone conversations right up to the night she died. The Observer says that the US has admitted in the Stevens report that it listened to Diana's phone calls. Lord Stevens is understood to have been assured that the 39 documents detailing the conversations did not contain any information that might explain her death. No explanation for the alleged bugging was offered.

Norman Baker, Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes, said: "There have been rumours that Princess Diana was being bugged by the Americans, so I am not entirely surprised. But it is a major constitutional issue. The question is whether the Americans were doing it themselves or the British government had outsourced it to the Americans to achieve deniability."