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when did the "old commandment" get replaced by the "newer one"? the bibles that i've always had read "shall not kill".

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

i know that christian doctorine explains it, but that is the writings of man.

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

Learn to tell the difference between the old testament and the new testament and how each plays with Christianity. If you can't at least do that, stop trying to bash a religion you don't seem to know anything about.

damn, yer mean today... since when is asking a question for discussion, on a discussion site, bashing anything? jeezzzzz...

i know the difference between the two. and i suspect that cyclo, who by the way actually offered something as opposed to being a snarkster, is on the right direction.

so, mcg, perhaps you can reconcile this for me; you being the authority and all..

"how do christians reconcile the worship of jesus, against direct word from god to not do so". and with the interjecting of the trinity, which is nowhere to be found in the ten commandments" ?

Christianity, notice the word "Christ" in it, is based on the belief Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah spoken of in the Old testament. Many different sects of Christianity exist with all having different beliefs. they reconcile it through the teachings in the New testament and base their beliefs on the what is taught there.

Judaism does not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they, therefore, are not Christians and would have different beliefs then Christians. Surely you can understand that. It's the belief that Christ is the son of God that makes them Christians.

In the United States, a controversy has persisted for many years regarding the placement of the "Ten Commandments" in public schools and public buildings. But one critical question seems to have escaped most of the public dialog on the subject: Whose "Ten Commandments" should we post?

The general perception in this country is that the "Ten Commandments" are part of the common religious heritage of Judaism, Catholicism and Protestantism, part of the sacred scriptures that we all share, and should not be controversial. But most people involved in the debate seem to have missed the fact that these three religions divide up the commandments in different ways! Judaism, unlike Catholicism and Protestantism, considers "I am the L-rd, your G-d" to be the first "commandment." Catholicism, unlike Judaism and Protestantism, considers coveting property to be separate from coveting a spouse. Protestantism, unlike Judaism and Catholicism, considers the prohibition against idolatry to be separate from the prohibition against worshipping other gods. No two religions agree on a single list. So whose list should we post?

And once we decide on a list, what translation should we post? Should Judaism's sixth declaration be rendered as "Thou shalt not kill" as in the popular KJV translation, or as "Thou shalt not murder," which is a bit closer to the connotations of the original Hebrew though still not entirely accurate? Source

LoneStarMadam wrote:

I don't think I did, & I don't know how anybody could force another person to believe something. I thought the human mind could stave off anything that it found objectionable. Guess I was wrong.

LSM, I think at first you reminded folks of Possum, now you're triggering MA/AM bells. We had many a mighty battle with both and you represent a close enough facsimile to each of them that the nuances of your own positions are getting lost.

I found this interesting...

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In the United States, a controversy has persisted for many years regarding the placement of the "Ten Commandments" in public schools and public buildings. But one critical question seems to have escaped most of the public dialog on the subject: Whose "Ten Commandments" should we post?

The general perception in this country is that the "Ten Commandments" are part of the common religious heritage of Judaism, Catholicism and Protestantism, part of the sacred scriptures that we all share, and should not be controversial. But most people involved in the debate seem to have missed the fact that these three religions divide up the commandments in different ways! Judaism, unlike Catholicism and Protestantism, considers "I am the L-rd, your G-d" to be the first "commandment." Catholicism, unlike Judaism and Protestantism, considers coveting property to be separate from coveting a spouse. Protestantism, unlike Judaism and Catholicism, considers the prohibition against idolatry to be separate from the prohibition against worshipping other gods. No two religions agree on a single list. So whose list should we post?

And once we decide on a list, what translation should we post? Should Judaism's sixth declaration be rendered as "Thou shalt not kill" as in the popular KJV translation, or as "Thou shalt not murder," which is a bit closer to the connotations of the original Hebrew though still not entirely accurate? Source

I found this interesting...

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In the United States, a controversy has persisted for many years regarding the placement of the "Ten Commandments" in public schools and public buildings. But one critical question seems to have escaped most of the public dialog on the subject: Whose "Ten Commandments" should we post?

The general perception in this country is that the "Ten Commandments" are part of the common religious heritage of Judaism, Catholicism and Protestantism, part of the sacred scriptures that we all share, and should not be controversial. But most people involved in the debate seem to have missed the fact that these three religions divide up the commandments in different ways! Judaism, unlike Catholicism and Protestantism, considers "I am the L-rd, your G-d" to be the first "commandment." Catholicism, unlike Judaism and Protestantism, considers coveting property to be separate from coveting a spouse. Protestantism, unlike Judaism and Catholicism, considers the prohibition against idolatry to be separate from the prohibition against worshipping other gods. No two religions agree on a single list. So whose list should we post?

And once we decide on a list, what translation should we post? Should Judaism's sixth declaration be rendered as "Thou shalt not kill" as in the popular KJV translation, or as "Thou shalt not murder," which is a bit closer to the connotations of the original Hebrew though still not entirely accurate? Source

40000 dlowan.
Should be a Guru in no time.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

"how do christians reconcile the worship of jesus, against direct word from god to not do so". and with the interjecting of the trinity, which is nowhere to be found in the ten commandments" ?

Christianity, notice the word "Christ" in it, is based on the belief Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah spoken of in the Old testament. Many different sects of Christianity exist with all having different beliefs. they reconcile it through the teachings in the New testament and base their beliefs on the what is taught there.

Judaism does not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they, therefore, are not Christians and would have different beliefs then Christians. Surely you can understand that. It's the belief that Christ is the son of God that makes them Christians.

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

i know that christian doctorine explains it, but that is the writings of man.

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

Learn to tell the difference between the old testament and the new testament and how each plays with Christianity. If you can't at least do that, stop trying to bash a religion you don't seem to know anything about.

damn, yer mean today... since when is asking a question for discussion, on a discussion site, bashing anything? jeezzzzz...

i know the difference between the two. and i suspect that cyclo, who by the way actually offered something as opposed to being a snarkster, is on the right direction.

so, mcg, perhaps you can reconcile this for me; you being the authority and all..

"how do christians reconcile the worship of jesus, against direct word from god to not do so". and with the interjecting of the trinity, which is nowhere to be found in the ten commandments" ?

Christianity, notice the word "Christ" in it, is based on the belief Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah spoken of in the Old testament. Many different sects of Christianity exist with all having different beliefs. they reconcile it through the teachings in the New testament and base their beliefs on the what is taught there.

Judaism does not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they, therefore, are not Christians and would have different beliefs then Christians. Surely you can understand that. It's the belief that Christ is the son of God that makes them Christians.

Interestingly enough, you don't have to follow any of the rules that he laid out or emulate his life in any fashion; it's enough to believe that he was actually the son of god, and boom, you're in the club. Right?

Also interestingly enough, if the New Testament and Jesus' teachings essentially repudiate the 'old contract' between god and man, then why is Leviticus the most-often used justification for Homophobia? Why do the Ten Commandments still matter at all?

Answer: Because Hypocrisy knows no Religious barrier!

Cycloptichorn

The "thou shalt not kill" controversy is nothing.

Try to find two Christians who agree on what "Love your neighbor" means.

Maybe someone in the religion forum can help you. You should bring it up there.

ebrown_p wrote:

The "thou shalt not kill" controversy is nothing.

Try to find two Christians who agree on what "Love your neighbor" means.

Nothing? Why do you say that?
Love your neighbor, of course, but what happens if the neighbor tries to murder you?

So then why aren't Christians trying to make it illegal for fornicators to marry?