Keith Ellison: Newly Elected Congressman

FreeDuck wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Actually they do, but i will take the "Thou shalt not murder"
Murder is a legal term, different than kill. We have a right to protect ourselves, if that means killing another human in order to do that, so be it. Murder is wanton killing, no excuse.

None of those passages represent the teachings of Jesus.

and it seems to be a fairly recent development that the commandement became "thou shall not murder", rather than "thou shall not kill".

and here's something else that i've wondered about. how does "praying to jesus" work when the first few commandments read;

Exodus 20:

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


i know that christian doctorine explains it, but that is the writings of man.

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

Something tells me we'll be hearing from momma soon.

The United States Constitution: Article VI, Debts, Supremacy, Oaths - Section 3
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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The United States Constitution: Article VI, Debts, Supremacy, Oaths - Section 3
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Now, in the 1st place, no laying of hands on any tome is any part of the official Congressional swearing-in ceremony, and in the 2nd place, neither governmental endorsement nor governmental condemnation of any particular religion is permissable under the US Constitution.

Whatchya got here with Ellison's instant celebrity really is a non-issue, a manufactured flap-without-foundation. Its the meatworld equivalent of an internet flame war; Ellision cast the bait, a rightwingnut commentator rose to it, and the media joined the blogosphere in a feeding frenzy - both oblivious to the fact no food was to be had. Just one more proof that idiocy knows no ideology. Ridiculous is as ridiculous does - if the shoe is uncomfortable, where's the sense in insisting upon jamming one's foot into it as well as one's mouth?

[quote="LoneStarMadam" Just my opinion.

[quote="LoneStarMadam" Just my opinion.

Has LSM advocated a theocracy?

<Rolls>

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

i know that christian doctorine explains it, but that is the writings of man.

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

Learn to tell the difference between the old testament and the new testament and how each plays with Christianity. If you can't at least do that, stop trying to bash a religion you don't seem to know anything about.

Where that came from was the devolution of this conversation from a discussion of a particular religion's impact on a particular politician - a particular politician brought to celebrity soley by virtue of his religion - into a discussion of the politics of religion.

As for anyone's choice of shoe, that's anyone's individual choice.

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

i know that christian doctorine explains it, but that is the writings of man.

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

Learn to tell the difference between the old testament and the new testament and how each plays with Christianity. If you can't at least do that, stop trying to bash a religion you don't seem to know anything about.

damn, yer mean today... since when is asking a question for discussion, on a discussion site, bashing anything? jeezzzzz...

i know the difference between the two. and i suspect that cyclo, who by the way actually offered something as opposed to being a snarkster, is on the right direction.

so, mcg, perhaps you can reconcile this for me; you being the authority and all..

"how do christians reconcile the worship of jesus, against direct word from god to not do so". and with the interjecting of the trinity, which is nowhere to be found in the ten commandments" ?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

and if the ten commandments are the true words of god, and he says essentially, "don't go around praying to anybody but me.."

well, doesn't that kinda leave christians playing on the wrong team ?

just wonderin' 'bout that...

"Thou shalt not murder is the original commandemnt" "Shall not kill" is the newer one.
I can't speak for all Christians but I believe in The Divine Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, all three one & the same, I pray to one God. Jesus is The Father, God came to earth in human form as Jesus.
I don't profess to know all the answers, I go strictly on faith & that, while not be good enough for some, it sustains me.

I don't think I did, & I don't know how anybody could force another person to believe something. I thought the human mind could stave off anything that it found objectionable. Guess I was wrong.