I don't speak dot, sorry.
eorl saidQuote:I think that reading and participating in threads like this one may have helped that process a lot, which is why it is worth the trouble to continue, right?
. I used to think so but Im not so sure any more. I find the thoughts of Allan Bloom more valid today than when he wrote his work on the Closing of the American Mind,except that, ,instead of Bloom's relativism being confused as tolerance, weve got intellectual yahooism being accepted as profound thought. I may be old fashioned but I see how the former begot the latter
I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive.
Unfortunately, it seems to be difficult for participants to resist the temptation to sling mud when they don't get agreement with their opinion. (Of course, to the speaker, it's not opinion it's fact, so why wouldn't everybody simply recognize their correctness? This, naturally, applies to both sides.)
real life wrote:I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive.
Unfortunately, it seems to be difficult for participants to resist the temptation to sling mud when they don't get agreement with their opinion. (Of course, to the speaker, it's not opinion it's fact, so why wouldn't everybody simply recognize their correctness? This, naturally, applies to both sides.)
So the tactic is to turn everything said into opinion?
false.
more than opinions have been shared.
real life wrote:I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive.
Unfortunately, it seems to be difficult for participants to resist the temptation to sling mud when they don't get agreement with their opinion. (Of course, to the speaker, it's not opinion it's fact, so why wouldn't everybody simply recognize their correctness? This, naturally, applies to both sides.)
So the tactic is to turn everything said into opinion?
false.
more than opinions have been shared.
Even if everything said is argued as opinion it's clear the merits of all opinions are far from equal. There is for example scientific opinion, legal opinion, philosophical opinion, spiritual opinion etc.
- Real Life presents no scientific opinion (by the definition of the phrase) to support his critique of evolution.
You should probably read through a few more threads, including ones you've missed recently before making such sweeping generalizations without evidence.
You have not presented scientific opinion (by the definition of the phrase) to support your critique of evolution. I'm also not convinced you understand the basic tenets of the scientific method. You certainly have not applied them to evolution.
Creationists/ID-iots BELIEVE they have - and employ - evidence and scientific method, Chumly, and that's enough for them, regardless the facts.
If wishes were horses........
real life wrote:I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive....
Doesn't sound like you've quie figured it out here. Evolution is basically a war and you could no more have any sort of real discussion or "debate" with hard core evolutionites than you could with Joseph Goebbels, James Carville, or any other sort of hardcore propagandist for some other ideology. Sooner or later, they will ALWAYS break off into pure name-calling and calumny. Ultimately, that's all they've got.
gungasnake wrote:real life wrote:I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive....
Doesn't sound like you've quie figured it out here. Evolution is basically a war and you could no more have any sort of real discussion or "debate" with hard core evolutionites than you could with Joseph Goebbels, James Carville, or any other sort of hardcore propagandist for some other ideology. Sooner or later, they will ALWAYS break off into pure name-calling and calumny. Ultimately, that's all they've got.
I'm happy to hear that you've never broken off into name calling.
For any newcomers...
The following little listing will provide at least starting points for anybody wishing to catch up with the latest details on the evolving demise of the theory of evolution:
Dim Views on Evolution:[/b]
Major Scientific Problems with Evolution
Time Frame Problems:
Talk.origins Realities
What Serious Scholars Have to Say about Evolution
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/cequotes.html
The All-Time, Ultimate Evolution Quote
Quote:
If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all came from slime. When we died, you know , that was it, there is nothing...
Jeffrey Dahmer, noted Evolutionist
Social Darwinism, Naziism, Communism, Darwinism Roots etc.
Creation and Intelligent Design Links
Evolutionist Censorship Etc.
Big Bang, Electric Sun, Plasma Physics and Cosmology Etc.
Intelligent Versions of Biogenesis etc.
Whole books online
Blind Atheist
gungasnake wrote:The following little listing will provide at least starting points for anybody wishing to catch up with the latest details on the evolving demise of the theory of evolution
"evolving demise"? Ah ha, so you DO believe in evolution. I knew you would come around eventually.
That well may be as comprehensive an assortment of
crackpottery as ever I've seen assembled in one place, gunga - congratulations.
I love the Jeffrey Dahmer quote with the tag "noted Evolutionist".
I hear that Hitler, a "noted Christian", had a few interesting quotes as well.
Gunga, you are forgetting all the websites supporting evolution. Would you like to post those as well? You are completely biased.
gungasnake wrote:real life wrote:I think participation in these discussions is helpful to both sides, but the frequent deterioration of discussion into name calling and petty insults is counterproductive....
Doesn't sound like you've quie figured it out here. Evolution is basically a war and you could no more have any sort of real discussion or "debate" with hard core evolutionites than you could with Joseph Goebbels, James Carville, or any other sort of hardcore propagandist for some other ideology. Sooner or later, they will ALWAYS break off into pure name-calling and calumny. Ultimately, that's all they've got.
Yes, well perhaps I am talking to myself. I'm well aware that sooner or later, evolutionists tend to fall back to 'you guys are stupid' as the answer to everything.
I've seen it time and again here.
I just try to keep myself (not always as successfully as I wish) from sinking to that.
