Don't tell me there's no proof for evolution

Maybe, scienceguy is a politician too!

I think hes more a Christian Scientist.

1.Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species. The facts show that characteristics of a plant or an animal are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell.
2. Natural selection led to the creation of new species. The evidence from research strongly indicates that mutations cannot produce entirely new kinds of plants or animals.
3. Fossil records document macroevolutionary changes. Niles Eldredge, a staunch evolutionist, states that the fossil record shows, not that there is a gradual accumulation of change, but that for long periods of time, “little or no evolutionary change accumulates in most species.”
4. Reproduction is a highly complex process of development and after more than a century of study, scientists still cannot decipher the intracasies of reproduction.
5. Genetics: DNA has a four-letter code [ A , T, G, and C ] appear forms “words” called codons. Codons are arranged in “stories” called genes. Each gene contains, on average, 27,000 letters. It takes 23 chromosomes to form the complete “book”—the genome, or total of genetic information about an organism. The human genome is made up of about three billion base pairs, or rungs, on the DNA ladder. The genome information would fill 428, 1000 page volumes. Adding the second copy that is found in each cell would make that 856 1000 page volumes. To compress so much information in one microscopic cell is far beyond science.
6. Evolution: An influential evolutionist Richard Lewontin wrote that many scientists are willing to accept unproven scientific claims because they “have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.” Many scientists refuse even to consider the possibility of an intelligent Designer because, as Lewontin writes, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”
Sociologist Rodney Stark is quoted in Scientific American as saying: “There’s been 200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you’ve got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion.” He further notes that in research universities, “the religious people keep their mouths shut.
Romans 1:20-22 says: "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"
Isaiah 40:26 speaks of God as dynamic energy full of power. What does the law physics say regarding the "Conservation of Energy" ?
The theory of evolution is far from being a simple concept and any one who thinks otherwise is only fooling themselves.

1.Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species. The facts show that characteristics of a plant or an animal are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell.
2. Natural selection led to the creation of new species. The evidence from research strongly indicates that mutations cannot produce entirely new kinds of plants or animals.
3. Fossil records document macroevolutionary changes. Niles Eldredge, a staunch evolutionist, states that the fossil record shows, not that there is a gradual accumulation of change, but that for long periods of time, “little or no evolutionary change accumulates in most species.”
4. Reproduction is a highly complex process of development and after more than a century of study, scientists still cannot decipher the intracasies of reproduction.
5. Genetics: DNA has a four-letter code [ A , T, G, and C ] appear forms “words” called codons. Codons are arranged in “stories” called genes. Each gene contains, on average, 27,000 letters. It takes 23 chromosomes to form the complete “book”—the genome, or total of genetic information about an organism. The human genome is made up of about three billion base pairs, or rungs, on the DNA ladder. The genome information would fill 428, 1000 page volumes. Adding the second copy that is found in each cell would make that 856 1000 page volumes. To compress so much information in one microscopic cell is far beyond science.
6. Evolution: An influential evolutionist Richard Lewontin wrote that many scientists are willing to accept unproven scientific claims because they “have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.” Many scientists refuse even to consider the possibility of an intelligent Designer because, as Lewontin writes, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”
Sociologist Rodney Stark is quoted in Scientific American as saying: “There’s been 200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you’ve got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion.” He further notes that in research universities, “the religious people keep their mouths shut.
Romans 1:20-22 says: "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"
Isaiah 40:26 speaks of God as dynamic energy full of power. What does the law physics say regarding the "Conservation of Energy" ?
Evolution is not a simple concept and any one who claims that it is, is only fooling themselves.

Science has a commitment to naturalism. Scientists have a commitment to science.

No it doesn't--you're making **** up to support your wobbly thesis. In the King James version:

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

No mention of "dynamic energy," nor anything of the kind there. The rerference to "power" here is a reference to sustaining a host, i.e., it is a military reference.

Quite apart from that, quoting scripture is not an exercise in examining reliable evidence. It's an exercise in relying on superstition.

Not exactly, codons are the three letter segments of amino acids, eg GAA plus GAG are two "codons" (RNA codons) that form glutamic acid, one of the64 amino acids within the genetic code

Gould and Eldgredge believed that most of the species wold demonstrate punctated equilibrium. THEY WERE WRONG. Very few species show this type pf evolution. Many species merely adapt and stay "put" or they evolve with a fossil track, or they go extinct.
Even Eldredge and Gould's field specimens of Mucrospirifers have been shown to merely be products of a series of hiatuses in their sedimentary environment. What appeared to be Punctuated eqilibrium, was merely a huge gap in the stratigraphic record. This has been confirmed about 15 years ago.


KInda disingenuous of you because Lewontin wasnt even talking about " scientists Not considering ID" (ID falls on its own due to no evidence )> Lewontin was actually speaking (in "Intelligent Thought") about how we cannot allow a "Divine Foot" in the door of the science classroom. Tsk Tsk. We are quote mining again

Youre still going around being amazed when science cracked the genome over 10 years ago and is now doing comparitive work AMONG different species.
Computers have helped an awful lot. The longest gene in humans is distrophyn, which is about 2.5 million base pairs. Yet weve cracked it and identified the mutation position responsible for muscular dystrophy. You can stop being amazed and start finding out whats been done in the last half century since Franklin, Watson, Crick, Lowe, Bragg, Claire-King, Frazier, Jeffries,Waterston,Hazeltine, and Venter have applied their many skills at helping turn DNA analyses into evolutionary genomics

Noone hs claimed that. However, evidence keeps piling up to help us understand better and better. Its gotten so available that we teach beginning genomics on high school biology. (The teachers are the ones who had to beef up their skills)

Wow, Id sure like to see this evidence from research. New genes are being IID's all the time. Wed better notify these scientists that they are on the wrong track

When they get round to new types of human beings it won't matter if they are on the wrong track.

Quote, "he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might"

Yea, humans have been naming plants and animals all along.

Nobody sees evolution.Darwin proposed it as a logical explanation for certain indisputable facts;it ties everything together and makes sense.
Until somebody comes up with a different and better explanation of the facts, or there are new facts which point in a different direction,evolution will be the accepted theory.

It is a fact jack that it is a constant feature in all cultures that the human social animal seeks a certain dignity. Any student of the dress and ornaments and living accomodations of other cultures will soon recognise the fact of the obsession with a certain dignity of the human being. The forms it takes are potentially as many as the organic life forms take. Diogenes is a possible exception.

Stand upon someone's dignity and listen to them squeal. In a highly literate society, as defined by the Dep't of Education, engaged in rapid industrial expansion powered by science, there will emerge competitive dignity exhibitions becoming more and more attenuated in those classes thought to be highly literate and even moreso amongst those elite cabals which are thought to be very, very highly literate.

One would never think watching a dignified graduation ceremony that all the gamut of devious tricks had been deployed to arrive in such an important setting. Whether those who clean up afterwards get a boost to their self esteem I don't know. The dignitaries having done the first sweep. And not one laughing.

What I'm driving at in this half-assed manner is that there might be a sort of psychological thingy in our nature due to coming to self-consciousness associated with dignity, which is similar to the DNA thingy in the organic world. And that it might be as important, or more important, than the DNA thingy.

One need only watch a cow take a piss to see that dignity is not a characteristic in evolution. Shameless.

And evolution, whatever else is said about it, takes our dignity away. Thought of in euphemisms and fancy cliches perhaps not, but that requires self-delusion.

Eve stepping forth in a grassy glade and winking at Adam is a much more dignified explanation.

To conclude that evolution should be promoted one has to have decided which thingy is most important. And if you decide for the DNA then you have the canon of evolved personal habits as your guide.

There is a lot of dignity exhibition on these evolution threads though. Which is what I can't understand.

but it can actually be measured

Actually, they can. There are 100 scientists on the Galapagos Islands that "see" evolution in process.

http://www.galapagosislands.com/galapagos-history/galapagos-evolution.html

Who is paying to "see" evolution in process and what are we getting for it? Some more bricks in the wall?

Im familiar with the ongoing Galapopogos project at Princeton and its still a lot of "believing that its true" Maybe in another century with good hard data and evidence from following several species that the MArtins have been following for about 40 years. Right now? Im dubious at the hype that is reported mostly for tourists.

Measurement of gene flow and statistical characteristsics is the way. Eg the Allegheny cave rat, a dwindling species is actually bifurcating into species that are adapted both to caves and to the high ridges of the Appalachians from WVa to NC.

The polar bear is an exact species that is either adapting or becoming extinct. We shall see .

All the species of finches that the MArtins have reported so far have shown that these birds have a great deal of genetic diversity and phenotypic diversity.

fm--is evolution going on anywhere else besides the Galopopogos Islands? Certainly there is the evolution of chaps like yourself talking about the no doubt important and dramatic discoveries being made there by well paid research scientists and their pretty assistants.



I presume these creatures must have been spotted in caves and high ridged etc etc etc by keen-eyed scientists on field trips combined with booze ups and tent shagging. Whether such unassailable evidence as that justifies saying that the little rats are "bifurcating" I don't know. Maybe we should peer-review the problem.

Do you think the rats are noticing this bifurcation?

If I know my rats they'll be in your sewers and garbage bins if they get half a chance.

It's just a pyramid of bullshit as gunga might say.

gunga sounds like your speed spendi. Follow his sage observations and you too will sound more and more as he, confused, ignorant, yet cocksure.

You didn't answer my questions fm nor the points I raised.

I wonder why that is.

Because they are not even serious questions. Did you think folks would think they were? Your previous antics keep you from being taken seriosly.

Try to link eugenics, Sade, and womens underwear in your reply and maybe I will reconsider