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Purposely Not Allowing Hopefuless

 
 
eoe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 10:17 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
eoe wrote:
Keep hope alive.


There's no hope but Mt. Hope....


You're being such a drag, bear. How does she put up with you? Rolling Eyes
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 11:58 am
eoe wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
eoe wrote:
Keep hope alive.


There's no hope but Mt. Hope....


You're being such a drag, bear. How does she put up with you? Rolling Eyes

You know women, hours of great sex and they will forgive all your other faults.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 12:22 pm
Did he pay you to say that or what? Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 12:29 pm
BBB wrote: Hard to believe that you didn't understand that I was using horse drawn carriages as an example, not the constitution.

Your reaction is a good example of your literal mind problem.

It's not only a "literal mind problem." He is also good at projecting statements into something that doesn't resemble the original writer's statement.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 01:02 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
BBB wrote: Hard to believe that you didn't understand that I was using horse drawn carriages as an example, not the constitution.

Your reaction is a good example of your literal mind problem.

It's not only a "literal mind problem." He is also good at projecting statements into something that doesn't resemble the original writer's statement.


What did I project?

He mentioned horse drawn carriages so I asked for clarification.

If you would pull your head out,you would have seen that.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 01:34 pm
eoe wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
eoe wrote:
Keep hope alive.


There's no hope but Mt. Hope....


You're being such a drag, bear. How does she put up with you? Rolling Eyes


I believe the appropriate UNSOLICITED response has already been given so..... snaaaap!!!! Laughing
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eoe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 01:46 pm
Snap back atcha! Laughing
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 01:47 pm
eoe wrote:
Snap back atcha! Laughing


what a happy sound ... like when squinney and I play the gynecologist and the sorority girl.....
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 02:08 pm
You said it, DTOM, and I agree. (not wanting to pollute the thread with more quotes)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 03:53 pm
MM is the king of all literalists.

When the constitution was written, there was no such thing as TV, DNA, RICO, etc., and yet the constitution, being a living document, applies to issues (e.g., , due process, search and seizure, etc.) related to those things.

Getting MM to understand this is beyond anyone on this board.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 03:56 pm
mysteryman wrote:
.......Is the Constitution a "living document" open to interpretation based on your beliefs,or does it mean exactly what it says,no more or no less?

I think that is the biggest question and the biggest debate facing the US today.


uh-huh. it encapsulates a lot of issues.

maybe the question is more accurately stated as "is interpretation based on the the realities of today and our likely future ? "

unbending "traditional" this or that may be comforting to some individuals, but i believe that a refusal to adapt and grow in response to the progress of time can only lead to national and cultural stagnation.

it just seems to me that america is at one of those big transition stages in our national development. some people like the idea, some don't. or as i said to my dad a while back, some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. we actually agree on that one.

so, i guess my opinion is that in that way, you could say "personal beliefs" would dictate interpretation. i.e.; it's my personal belief that we should use common sense in weighing whether or not a particular piece of the constitution is more or less applicable today than when it was set down. or is it relevant at all ?

this example comes to mind;

2nd amendment. let's keep it simple and just call it "the right to arm bears". ohhh.. wait. sorry..the right to bear arms

okay. when set down, america was a much younger nation. the federal government was looser. the military was skeletal, police departments all but non-existent, the pioneering was still into completely wild and dangerous areas.

so if you have no infrastructure in place to protect you from domestic or foriegn danger, it makes good sense to allow the public to keep arms in sufficient measure to meet the likely dangers. same with militias. not to mention, the abscence of the local piggly-wiggly store means if you want a steak, you'll need to go shoot something.

may be worth noting that the level of sophistication in rifle and sidearm was a hell of lot more primitive at the time. a blazing 2 or 3 rounds per minute!

today's reality is that 200+ years later,

federal government is more completely formed(maybe toooo completely. Very Happy )

the u.s. military, fully unleashed, can take any objective you point it at. in other words we are capable of assured mutual destruction if it were to come to it. hence the policy of detente.

police departments have grown in number, size, skill, technology and quality. there's no way no guarantee anyone absolute safety in the world (and never has been), but we aren't living in deadwood, either.

grocery stores, mini-marts and cosco are readily available. or or you can hold your nose and go to wal-mart. Embarrassed

so, as we can see, most of the things that originally made the 2nd so important have totally changed. so should the 2nd be dispensed of ?

i don't think so. common sense tells me that is unnecessarily drastic.

besides, i like my gun and don't feel like turning it in. that's personal belief creeping in. do i really need it? probably not. but i do like the idea that i can have around.

but common sense (and personal experience) tell me that while a gun is neither good or bad, the way that they get used is. i've met a lot of people that have no business being on the same block as any firearm. others, i'm quite comfortable being around when they are armed.

reconfiguring gun laws and some of the other changes that have been made reflect a better solution than saying "no guns" to me.

hunting ? fine. range work? cool by me. self protection around the ol' homestead ? no problema, amigo. those three things can be accomplished with a variety of pretty neat pieces ranging from small to heavy being allowable.

but does the guy across the street really need a 50 cal ? naw, i just don't see it. same with ak's or machine pistols. just an accident waiting to happen. or a really violent crime. seems like a bad idea to allow the public the ability to out gun law enforcement on an individual basis. and it's not realistic to think that the citizenry could withstand assualt by the u.s. military if, god forbid, there was a military coup or wotnot..

if a person really feels the need to blow **** up, join the guard or active. seems like they could use ya these days....

so, ya see where i'm goin' here ? by using common sense, there's the possibility of interpreting the 2nd in a way that both satisfies it's original intent and still deals with reality of our day to day world.

in general i lean more towards viewing the constitution to allow more than less freedom for all with the caveat that freedom doesn't cause any other citizen physical harm.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 04:09 pm
DTOM, you shouldn't use the second amendment to make your point. A literal reading makes it clear that the right to be a bear is in the context of a well-regulated militia.

Moreover, there are few places in the country where you can't have a gun. I am sure no one will ever want to seize your gun.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 05:46 am
I was soooo wrong. I underestimated the disgust of the American people for gwb. Me, of all people. I once mentioned that I would eat crow if I were wrong and the dems won and was told by some A2K wit that as a vegetarian I'd have to eat crowfu.(and that really was funny btw) Someone please give me some recipes so I can follow up. I'll take a breakfast lunch and dinner plate please. Happily. Laughing
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 06:31 am
Dude - I asked on another thread if you were now less pessimistic, and you answered that here. So please disregard the other.
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:20 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I was soooo wrong. I underestimated the disgust of the American people for gwb. Me, of all people. I once mentioned that I would eat crow if I were wrong and the dems won and was told by some A2K wit that as a vegetarian I'd have to eat crowfu.(and that really was funny btw) Someone please give me some recipes so I can follow up. I'll take a breakfast lunch and dinner plate please. Happily. Laughing


It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:40 am
coming to Bear's rescue
Bear, I'm coming to your rescue your eating crow penance. This crow you can drink and follow up by seducing Squinny. You can thank me later.---BBB

Jamaican Crow recipe

Scale ingredients to servings

1 1/2 oz light rum
2 oz club soda
1/2 oz grenadine syrup
1 oz lime juice

Fill a collins glass almost full with ice, and your shaker half full with ice. Pour all ingredients except soda into shaker and shake well. Strain into glass. Add the carbonated water (club soda) and stir well. Garnish with an orange slice and a maraschino cherry if available.

Bear, if you still must eat crow, try this site.---BBB

http://www.crowbusters.com/recipes.htm
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 10:55 am
Here's something to cheer you up Bear:


A Virginia National Guardsman watches as a statue of George W. Bush is torn down on the lawn in front of the Capitol Building


http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/11/8/7390/50443#2
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:01 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Here's something to cheer you up Bear:


A Virginia National Guardsman watches as a statue of George W. Bush is torn down on the lawn in front of the Capitol Building


http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/11/8/7390/50443#2


nice photoshop picture.

It is funny,but I must tell you that the statue you mention NEVER existed.
It never has.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 9 Nov, 2006 04:15 am
doh
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 9 Nov, 2006 04:37 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
doh



Oh dearie, dearie me.
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