Christain Ease...

Will somebody please inform Raul there are millions of innocent chlidren starving on this planet today - even some in the good 'ole US of A?

So, Raul, is that god's answer to feed the starving? On which planet do you live?

Raul-7 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Will somebody please inform Raul there are millions of innocent chlidren starving on this planet today - even some in the good 'ole US of A?

Well why don't you pay zakat (charity) or convince everyone around the world who hasn't, to do so? If everyone paid just 2.5% of their income every year (which is obligitory on every Muslim) in the cause of charity then there would be no starving people. If you give in the way of God (which is to the needy, homeless, orphans, etc.) then he will increase his bounties upon you.

Reminds me of the story of a man who asked God why he won't send someone to help this world and those who suffer.

God says I did....I sent you.

flushd wrote:

Raul and Bart, you haven't even bothered to try and be relevent. Have a coffee or something. /Re-read the original post.

Heph is hurt and I understand. My mother died very young from M.S.

She is trying to make sense of it all.

I think we all do at times. I don't believe the trials in life are in vain. One only needs to look at the life of Christ to see this.

For those who prefer...Martin Luther King, Muhatmu Ghandi.....etc.

One might say.."what good can come of all this"?

My answer is that at one time i could not see any benefit from my sufferings as a child. Then I was blind but now I can see.

What I disagree with, in your posts and Raul's posts, is an insistence that lack of faith (of a particular type, of a particular diety) is the cause of unfortunate events.

AS though, lack of faith actually causes a family member to get sick. As though there were a personal responsibility for it.

flushd wrote:

Raul and Bart, you haven't even bothered to try and be relevent. Have a coffee or something. /Re-read the original post.

Heph is hurt and I understand. My mother died very young from M.S.

She is trying to make sense of it all.

I think we all do at times. I don't believe the trials in life are in vain. One only needs to look at the life of Christ to see this.

For those who prefer...Martin Luther King, Muhatmu Ghandi.....etc.

One might say.."what good can come of all this"?

My answer is that at one time i could not see any benefit from my sufferings as a child. Then I was blind but now I can see.

Why would "God" reduce your father and stepfather to mere pawns in your personal redemption.

Don't they have life scripts of their own?

What I disagree with, in your posts and Raul's posts, is an insistence that lack of faith (of a particular type, of a particular diety) is the cause of unfortunate events.

AS though, lack of faith actually causes a family member to get sick. As though there were a personal responsibility for it.

Sometimes, 'bad' and unpleasant things happen. Death - we are mortal.
Sickness - we are mortal.
etc.

People get sick all the time because humans are mortal. That seems answer enough to me why people die, and get ill.

Anyways, I may be talking to the wind right now, and that would be too bad. Because I don't necessarily think you are a bad person - you may very well be a very kind loving person - just because you believe differently than I.

I do think, that it is not fair nor right - it causes suffering - to put personal responsiblity where it does not belong.
Heph's lack of faith did not cause him to become ill. Being human is how it happened.

Charity is all good - especially when it starts with openly admiting a mistake that could cause harm to other human beings. It's not something 'out there' that you give - it is your very being that is charitible or not. REGARDLESS of what you gain, either from the world OR God.

flushd wrote:

What I disagree with, in your posts and Raul's posts, is an insistence that lack of faith (of a particular type, of a particular diety) is the cause of unfortunate events.

AS though, lack of faith actually causes a family member to get sick. As though there were a personal responsibility for it.

Sometimes, 'bad' and unpleasant things happen. Death - we are mortal.
Sickness - we are mortal.
etc.

People get sick all the time because humans are mortal. That seems answer enough to me why people die, and get ill.

Anyways, I may be talking to the wind right now, and that would be too bad. Because I don't necessarily think you are a bad person - you may very well be a very kind loving person - just because you believe differently than I.

I do think, that it is not fair nor right - it causes suffering - to put personal responsiblity where it does not belong.
Heph's lack of faith did not cause him to become ill. Being human is how it happened.

Charity is all good - especially when it starts with openly admiting a mistake that could cause harm to other human beings. It's not something 'out there' that you give - it is your very being that is charitible or not. REGARDLESS of what you gain, either from the world OR God.

A person's faith does not determine what's going to happen to them in the life either from bad or good. These matters are already decreed for them beforehand, God is not bound by time. Everyone will get what they deserve on the Day of Judgment, no soul will be wronged.

The only thing faith will change is the outcome of these events, for example if someone loses their job (decreed), yet remains steadfast and patient God will ease his path and he will find another job soon after, probably even better.

There are plenty of nonbelievers who have much better lives than believers (or so you may think), but what they won't have is a share of it
in the Hereafter.

Nothing occurs, either in the Earth or in yourselves, without its being in a Book before We make it happen. That is something easy for Allah. That is so that you will not be grieved about the things that pass you by or exult about the things that come to you. Allah does not love any vain or boastful man. (Surat al-Hadid, 22-23)

Thank you for that 'matter of fact' bit of pure nonsense.

Doktor S wrote:

Thank you for that 'matter of fact' bit of pure nonsense.

Your the last person to comment when your busy following Satan.

Bartikus.

You have no clue really how incredibly selfish and ignorant you sound right now.

Absolutely no clue, do you?

I know you want to help, and might even think you are, and I appreciate that. But you aren't helping.

I've finally figured it out. Christianity breeds complete and utter selfishness disguised as selflessness, because in the mind of the "believer" it's all about "Christ".

But in reality...

It's all about them.