Christain Ease...

That's not proof in any sense of the word. PROOF - (evidence) demonstration, verification, case, reasons, exhibits, credentials, data, warrant, confirmation, substantiation....

You've lost it by claiming "...the tree said..." In your world, how often do you hear voices when nobody is there?

After reading what you Heph and flushd had to say....I can understand a bit better why my words could have added insult to injury.

Some pain and grief is beyond what words alone could remedy.

Getting a hug would have probably been better than letting my mouth run right Heph...flushd?

I would hug you both right now. I'm going through some things as well Heph and I'm not sure how much more I can take. I'm just trying to hold on...you know what I mean!?

You probably do. I did'nt want to hurt you either.

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's not proof in any sense of the word. PROOF - (evidence) demonstration, verification, case, reasons, exhibits, credentials, data, warrant, confirmation, substantiation....

Well it is proof, the tree branches formed the words 'There is No God but Allah'. What, do you want the trees to say it too?

But the poor Muslims have to convince themselves that Islam is indeed the religion of God and Allah is God. For that they have to fool themselves. They desperately try to manufacture miracles and find "signs" of Allah in the most bizarre things and genuinely they fall for it. In the absence of logic they content themselves with magic and childish tricks. The miracle indeed is not the Quran but the fact that 1.2 billion people read this nonsense and do not realize that it is a hoax .

Raul-7 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's not proof in any sense of the word. PROOF - (evidence) demonstration, verification, case, reasons, exhibits, credentials, data, warrant, confirmation, substantiation....

Well it is proof, the tree branches formed the words 'There is No God but Allah'. What, do you want the trees to say it too?

Raul, why didn't you post the whole picture. The trees on the left side say Muhammad was his messenger. Isn't that even more miraculous, or should we say ridiculous since the picture is not a photograph, but rather an oil painting.

From the Faith Freedom website posted above

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But the poor Muslims have to convince themselves that Islam is indeed the religion of God and Allah is God. For that they have to fool themselves. They desperately try to manufacture miracles and find "signs" of Allah in the most bizarre things and genuinely they fall for it. In the absence of logic they content themselves with magic and childish tricks. The miracle indeed is not the Quran but the fact that 1.2 billion people read this nonsense and do not realize that it is a hoax .

If you replace Muslim with Christian, Allah with Christ, Quran with Bible, 1.2 billion with 1 billion, the entire paragraph still makes sense.

"The brain is a wonderous thing: it perceives things the way we wish them to be, not what they really are."

Maybe he just mean't Muslim and Christian brains though.

Good morning everyone. I finally found a few spare minutes to start this thread I've been thinking about the last few days. It's about "christian ease". What I mean specifically is the christian language. It's similar to english, however entangled with a few misconceptions I believe.

Here's the scenario:

My real father has been diagnoses as a level four cancer patient.

My step father was told yesterday that the 3 1/2 inch lump on his lung is probably cancer.

I was thinking about this and I suddenly began to feel guilty. Like this is my fault.

Why? You ask. Well let me tell ya.

Because "christian beliefs" say that God only "protects" you and yours as long as you serve Him and do things His way. Otherwise the "enemy" has a "legal right" to do whatever he wants to us. Therefore, "logically" speaking (according to christian beliefs that is) it could be considered my fault both my fathers are going through this because I no longer serve God, therefore He is under no obligation to protect me or anyone in my family. Satan has taken over my family.

Hummm.

Is it just me or does that really sound as ridiculous as I think it does?

So why then? Why should I feel guilty? Why would this "God" even put me in a position to struggle with feeling guilty like this if He is all loving, all knowing, all whatever?

I thought His love was unconditional.

Looking at this sure does make His love look conditional to me though.

Ya'll have a nice day now... ya hear? :wink:

Well the problem with this, is that most people do not understand that God the Creator is pretty much objective.

The brain is a wonderous thing: it perceives things the way we wish them to be, not what they really are.

Then if these two religion are faulty, illogical, etc. then why are they the two major religions in this World and are spreading?

Before religion or Islam; fathers used to bury their daughters alive in shame, ; theft, adultery, cheating-goods (adding water to milk, etc.), oppression were all widespread. This why the scriptures were sent down from God, to guide people from their previous ignorance onto the right path.

hephzibah wrote:

Good morning everyone. I finally found a few spare minutes to start this thread I've been thinking about the last few days. It's about "christian ease". What I mean specifically is the christian language. It's similar to english, however entangled with a few misconceptions I believe.

Here's the scenario:

My real father has been diagnoses as a level four cancer patient.

My step father was told yesterday that the 3 1/2 inch lump on his lung is probably cancer.

I was thinking about this and I suddenly began to feel guilty. Like this is my fault.

Why? You ask. Well let me tell ya.

Because "christian beliefs" say that God only "protects" you and yours as long as you serve Him and do things His way. Otherwise the "enemy" has a "legal right" to do whatever he wants to us. Therefore, "logically" speaking (according to christian beliefs that is) it could be considered my fault both my fathers are going through this because I no longer serve God, therefore He is under no obligation to protect me or anyone in my family. Satan has taken over my family.

Hummm.

Is it just me or does that really sound as ridiculous as I think it does?

So why then? Why should I feel guilty? Why would this "God" even put me in a position to struggle with feeling guilty like this if He is all loving, all knowing, all whatever?

I thought His love was unconditional.

Looking at this sure does make His love look conditional to me though.

Ya'll have a nice day now... ya hear? :wink:

Well the problem with this, is that most people do not understand that God the Creator is pretty much objective.