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Questions Republicans just can't answer

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 03:56 pm
ican, I can sincerely appreciate and respect your last post. I can now agree to disagree with some of your opinion, because they are well thought out with pros and cons. Thank you!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 04:23 pm
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What is [a] plan for winning the war on terror?


1. Exterminate terrorists, the deliberate killers of non-combatants, wherever they are trained and find sanctuary.
2. Closely monitor all written and spoken communications, using computers and other technology, programmed to detect the occurrence of words, phrases, and sentences in those communications, that intelligence personnel are looking for to detect terrorist planning of the deliberate killing of non-combatant Americans anywhere in the world.

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Why should the average American fear terrorism more than other causes of death?


The average American should fear terrorism more than other causes of death, because terrorism, if not fought and exterminated, can escalate in America to the point that death and destruction by terrorism will exceed by a large factor the total deaths, dismemberments, cripplings, and destructions in America currently caused by accidents.

MORE LATER

The rest of these sub-questions will be discussed at a later time.
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In what way can Islaamic Fundamentalism conquer America?


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How would an Islaamic army cross the Atlantic ocean and attack us?


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How would they force Americans to convert to Islaam?


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How would Islaamic terrorists hold America once it has been conquered?


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What is being done to defend our borders and ports?


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What is being done to defend our chemical and nuclear facilities?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 04:26 pm
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2. Closely monitor all written and spoken communications, using computers and other technology, programmed to detect the occurrence of words, phrases, and sentences in those communications, that intelligence personnel are looking for to detect terrorist planning of the deliberate killing of non-combatant Americans anywhere in the world.


Hello, Big Brother.

How long before this tool gets turned to other purposes?

Remember that the 'psychotic' dems will be in control sooner or later...

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 05:01 pm
cycloptichorn wrote:
What is [a] plan for winning the war on terror?

Subquestions:

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How would an Islaamic army cross the Atlantic ocean [or any other ocean] and attack us?


Via commercial airliners, a few of the Islaamic army per airliner intercontinental trip.

If 20 can deliberately kill 3,000, then surely only 2,000 are needed to deliberately kill at least 300,000, and maim, cripple, disable, or wound at least ten times more.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 05:10 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Hello, Big Brother.

How long before this tool gets turned to other purposes?

Remember that the 'psychotic' dems will be in control sooner or later...

Cycloptichorn


"Big Brother" Islamists are far more to fear than would be "Big Brother" Democrats or Republicans who are not competent enough to become "Big Brothers." On the otherhand there's Sorosicrats.

Yeah, they've got to be watched closely..... very closely.




I'll be back in a week to resume this discussion.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 05:14 pm
Have a good one, ican. Wink
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 06:29 pm
Okay, JP, when you see me agreeing with Richard F*cking Perle about a problem, you know we've entered some sort of bizzaro world:

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Eyebrows popped up last week when none other than Richard Perle, former Reagan assistant secretary of defense, former Bush brain-truster on the Defense Policy Board, and a key promoter of the war to find Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, blistered the administration as "dysfunctional" when it comes to stopping someone from bringing "a nuclear weapon or even nuclear material into the United States." "Knowing that there are people who wish to do that," Perle said, "knowing they are seeking weapons of mass destruction, you would think that we would have put in place a system or at least be working assiduously in the development of a system that would allow us to detect nuclear material entering the New York Harbor or Boston Harbor or what have you. "But we haven't done that," he said at a Center for Strategic and International Studies gathering. "And the reason we haven't done that is hopeless bureaucratic obstruction. Somebody needs to shake that loose." Perle added that while some have tried to overcome the bureaucracy, no one has succeeded. "I think we have an administration today that is dysfunctional," Perle said. "And if it can't get itself together to organize a serious program for finding nuclear material on its way to the United States, then it ought to be replaced by an administration that can.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/31/AR2006103101218.html

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2006 06:33 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Okay, JP, when you see me agreeing with Richard F*cking Perle about a problem, you know we've entered some sort of bizzaro world:


Ha! ... down is up, up is down, the sky is green and the grass is blue.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:00 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What is the plan for winning the war on terror?

Subquestions:

Why should the average American fear terrorism more than other causes of death?


Cyclops, you wanted me to answer your questions on this thread. One will suffice for now, so I am taking the first question. I will answer your question with a question. Why should the average American fear murderers more than other causes of death?

It should be obvious that your question as well as my question may contain a false assumption and that the questions also invite pointless answers. Without even addressing any more of your questions, this one amply demonstrates what I said about your questions, cyclops.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:13 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What is the plan for winning the war on terror?

Subquestions:

Why should the average American fear terrorism more than other causes of death?


Cyclops, you wanted me to answer your questions on this thread. One will suffice for now, so I am taking the first question. I will answer your question with a question. Why should the average American fear murderers more than other causes of death?

It should be obvious that your question as well as my question may contain a false assumption and that the questions also invite pointless answers. Without even addressing any more of your questions, this one amply demonstrates what I said about your questions, cyclops.


No, it doesn't demonstrate anything like what you said.

The answer to your question is: they shouldn't.

If you don't feel like answering any of the questions, fine. That's hardly a surprise to me. They are difficult questions for Republicans to answer. But go pout somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:53 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, it doesn't demonstrate anything like what you said.

The answer to your question is: they shouldn't.


Besides other questions that need to be asked to answer your question, one key one is what is your question based on, past actions by terrorists or on potential terrorist threats in the future? In other words, are future acts of terrorism potentially far worse than what we have seen so far and how does that impact your answer?

Cyclops, the reason I said your questions were stupid is demonstrated in the first question. It is a leading question begging an answer that you want, and I am not going to give it to you because your answer is wrong If you would take the time to just use just a little reasoning concerning the subject, you would hopefully recognize this.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 10:57 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, it doesn't demonstrate anything like what you said.

The answer to your question is: they shouldn't.


Besides other questions that need to be asked to answer your question, one key one is what is your question based on, past actions by terrorists or on potential terrorist threats in the future? In other words, are future acts of terrorism potentially far worse than what we have seen so far and how does that impact your answer?

Cyclops, the reason I said your questions were stupid is demonstrated in the first question. It is a leading question begging an answer that you want, and I am not going to give it to you because your answer is wrong If you would take the time to just use just a little reasoning concerning the subject, you would hopefully recognize this.


It is a leading question begging an answer that you want, and I am not going to give it to you because your answer is wrong

What answer? I just asked a question. The fact that you are uncomfortable with the implications of the answer which comes into your mind isn't my problem. You certainly aren't required to provide an answer I 'want.' If you read through the responses of other Conservatives, you will see several different answers, actually.

As I said earlier, if you don't like the questions, don't answer them. You certainly aren't being forced to do so.

The matter of past-future terrorism having an impact on the question is immaterial.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 11:46 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
Cycloptichorn wrote:
[The matter of past-future terrorism having an impact on the question is immaterial.

Cycloptichorn


Your question was: "Why should the average American fear terrorism more than other causes of death?"

And you say that the matter of past-future has no impact? I say it does, and it has a huge impact. To say it doesn't is to imply that the risk of dying from obesity, or smoking, or diabetes, or heart disease, might be minimal as of now, so the problem might be acceptable. This answer of course ignores the obvious fact that the risk may increase exponentially if we simply accept the condition.

Your question should be rephrased to read: "Should the average American fear terrorism more or less than other causes of death, and provide reasons for your answer? I have another question for you, cyclops. Should the average homeowner fear a leaky roof more or less than a leaky faucet, and why?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 11:51 am
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
[The matter of past-future terrorism having an impact on the question is immaterial.

Cycloptichorn


Your question was: "Why should the average American fear terrorism more than other causes of death?"

And you say that the matter of past-future has no impact? I say it does, and it has a huge impact. To say it doesn't is to imply that the risk of dying from obesity, or smoking, or diabetes, or heart disease, might be minimal as of now, so the problem might be acceptable. This answer of course ignores the obvious fact that the risk may increase exponentially if we simply accept the condition.

Your question should be rephrased to read: "Should the average American fear terrorism more or less than other causes of death, and provide reasons for your answer? I have another question for you, cyclops. Should the average homeowner fear a leaky roof more or less than a leaky faucet, and why?


Yeah, that's all part of the answer to the question. If you believe that terrorism is a greater concern than it used to be, and that because of that the concern has to rise, then that is your answer. It isn't a problem with the question itself, which was intentionally open-ended.

As for your question, you are comparing apples to oranges; on one hand, you have a problem which is merely a nuisance, the other hand, a potential disaster. Contrast this to my question: dead is dead any way you go about it.

I'll consider you to have answered the question. It would have been easier to just write 'terrorism is a growing concern, more than it used to be, so people need to feel like so-and-so...' then to give me such a hard time about it.

Time for round two: What is the plan for winning in Iraq? That's pretty straightforward, I think. If you wish to go into detail, that would be nice too.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 12:21 pm
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Time for round two: What is the plan for winning in Iraq? That's pretty straightforward, I think. If you wish to go into detail, that would be nice too.

Cycloptichorn


First of all, you imply by your question that we are not winning at all. I think we have and we are to an extent, so I think your question is poorly phrased.

Secondly, it is crucial that those that voted for Bush's authority to go to war own up to their own decision. That would help our efforts to win. We must win the battle of public opinion in the press. The war is being fought on many fronts, and public opinion is one important one. Responsibility and perserverance are of utmost importance, and it starts with us here in America, not only with the politicians but with us, the people, and then we would have a better chance of total success in Iraq. I think we have had some success, but the success is being spun as no news while continued terrorist actions make the news.

Thirdly, we may need to take some fairly drastic and new actions in Iraq, in terms of clearing neighborhoods, bringing factions together and giving them clear choices to clean themselves up. Any and all tactical and political options may need to be put on the table. Beyond that, I am not a military expert, and I believe we should simply employ our best military and political minds concerning modern warfare and the problem in Iraq. To succeed, we must believe we are capable of it, and that includes our politicians.

We've not totally won any war since WWII, at least to the point of one side winning and the other side totally surrendering, so it seems that this problem is not unique to Iraq, and therefore we need to incorporate this fact into how we judge our degree of success. So perhaps I am suggesting that we are already possibly more successful than we are giving ourselves credit for. Cyclops, you suggested in the first question that the risk of death from terrorism is perhaps an acceptable risk, while at the same time you apparently believe the losses we suffer in Iraq are not acceptable in the course of making changes in the political landscape of terrorist infested Iraq. So I am suggesting you may need to re-evaluate your thinking on this. Instead of taking a defeatist attitude, which will only bring further defeat, I think a change in attutude is in order.

P.S. You said my question was comparing apples and oranges, but this reveals the obvious fact that your question was also comparing apples and oranges. You say "dead is dead," which is true, but I contend that "leaks are leaks," but how people die and how things leak have different impacts on the rest of the population and on the rest of the house, whichever case applies.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 01:47 pm
After President Meets Reporters, Sullivan -- Once a Bush Backer -- Now Suggests He May Have 'Lost His Mind'

Editor & Publisher
Thursday, November 2, 2006

NEW YORK In a move that no doubt sent a shiver through several candidates in his own party, President Bush, in a special interview with wire service reporters in the White House, today guaranteed a job for his Pentagon chief for two more years, adding that both Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney "are doing fantastic jobs and I strongly support them."

But it wasn't only endangered Republicans who have been calling for Rumsfeld's ouster who may have blanched. Andrew Sullivan, the conservative writer who was once a key media supporter for the Iraq war, denounced the latest Bush statement on CNN on Wednesday night, stating that the president is so delusional, "This is not an election anymore, it's an intervention."

Sullivan said the president was "so in denial," comparing the Rumsfeld endorsement to applauding the job FEMA's Michael Brown did on Katrina: "It's unhinged. It suggests this man has lost his mind. No one objectively could look at the way this war has been conducted, whether you were for it, as I was, or against it, and say that it has been done well. It's a disaster.

"For him to say it's a fantastic job suggests the president has lost it, I'm sorry, there's no other way to say it.....These people must be held accountable." He added that today, Richard Perle, a leading neocon and Iraq war backer, had today called the administration "dysfunctional."

Rep. John Boehner, the second-ranking Republican in the House, said, also on CNN: "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld. But the fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 02:05 pm
WOW! That's a nuke bomb just before the elections. Good article.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 02:08 pm
"...the president is so delusional, "This is not an election anymore, it's an intervention." That's an atom bomb trigger that should be heard all around the world, but especially in the US.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 05:31 pm
Re: Questions Republicans just can't answer
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Time for round two: What is the plan for winning in Iraq? That's pretty straightforward, I think. If you wish to go into detail, that would be nice too.

Cycloptichorn


First of all, you imply by your question that we are not winning at all. I think we have and we are to an extent, so I think your question is poorly phrased.

Secondly, it is crucial that those that voted for Bush's authority to go to war own up to their own decision. That would help our efforts to win. We must win the battle of public opinion in the press. The war is being fought on many fronts, and public opinion is one important one. Responsibility and perserverance are of utmost importance, and it starts with us here in America, not only with the politicians but with us, the people, and then we would have a better chance of total success in Iraq. I think we have had some success, but the success is being spun as no news while continued terrorist actions make the news.

Thirdly, we may need to take some fairly drastic and new actions in Iraq, in terms of clearing neighborhoods, bringing factions together and giving them clear choices to clean themselves up. Any and all tactical and political options may need to be put on the table. Beyond that, I am not a military expert, and I believe we should simply employ our best military and political minds concerning modern warfare and the problem in Iraq. To succeed, we must believe we are capable of it, and that includes our politicians.

We've not totally won any war since WWII, at least to the point of one side winning and the other side totally surrendering, so it seems that this problem is not unique to Iraq, and therefore we need to incorporate this fact into how we judge our degree of success. So perhaps I am suggesting that we are already possibly more successful than we are giving ourselves credit for. Cyclops, you suggested in the first question that the risk of death from terrorism is perhaps an acceptable risk, while at the same time you apparently believe the losses we suffer in Iraq are not acceptable in the course of making changes in the political landscape of terrorist infested Iraq. So I am suggesting you may need to re-evaluate your thinking on this. Instead of taking a defeatist attitude, which will only bring further defeat, I think a change in attutude is in order.

P.S. You said my question was comparing apples and oranges, but this reveals the obvious fact that your question was also comparing apples and oranges. You say "dead is dead," which is true, but I contend that "leaks are leaks," but how people die and how things leak have different impacts on the rest of the population and on the rest of the house, whichever case applies.


Thanks for responding.

Now, I want to focus on this point you made:

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First of all, you imply by your question that we are not winning at all. I think we have and we are to an extent, so I think your question is poorly phrased.


I just want to make sure before I go on that I heard you clearly when you stated that we have, or maybe are, winning the war in Iraq.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 06:59 pm
I would also like to see some proof that we're winning in Iraq: that would be great news for all Americans.
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