End of the World Sacrifice?

further to Raul's post RexRed, can you tell me just how good a Christian Mohammed really was? Perhaps on a scale 1 -10.

I suspect Mohammed was a very bad Christian.

Raul-7 wrote:

As for prophet Muhammad (PBUH), this just shows your ignorance and your biased hatred towards Islam.

I admit to being relatively ignorant about Islam, but what I know confirms my contempt, and the more I learn, the deeper it gets. Some ideas really are BAD, and Islam is one.

Quote:

Differences of opinion on intellectual issues, and - by extension - on juristic ones as well, are natural on account of the inherent disparities in intelligence, understanding, and analytic capacity with which people are created. If we accept that this statement is valid. Then we must also accept that differences of opinion between several Companions during the time of the Prophet and the rightly-guided Khulafaa' did occur, and these have been well documented. We would be doing a disservice to this religion if we denied this phenomenon. By the same token we do not regard an open discussion of these differences as detracting from the purity of the Islamic message or from the sincere intention of those Companions who had differences. Indeed we can say that in mentioning these differences openly we are in fact testifying to the objective reality and validity of the Islamic religion.

--taken from the USC website [emphasis added]

In admiting to these differences they appear to acknowledge the subjectivity inherrent in any interpretation. I see no reason to claim the opposite.

What do you think, R7?

Read the rest of the article. It should answer your questions.

Steve 41oo wrote:

Raul-7 wrote:

As for prophet Muhammad (PBUH), this just shows your ignorance and your biased hatred towards Islam.

I admit to being relatively ignorant about Islam, but what I know confirms my contempt, and the more I learn, the deeper it gets. Some ideas really are BAD, and Islam is one.

It's because you let your biases get in the way of your intellect, you focus on the negative and ignore the positive.

Raul-7 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:

Raul-7 wrote:

As for prophet Muhammad (PBUH), this just shows your ignorance and your biased hatred towards Islam.

I admit to being relatively ignorant about Islam, but what I know confirms my contempt, and the more I learn, the deeper it gets. Some ideas really are BAD, and Islam is one.

It's because you let your biases get in the way of your intellect, you focus on the negative and ignore the positive.

no just the opposite. Its because my intellect tells me Islam is a BAD idea. Like scientology or cannibalism.

I dont hate ordinary Muslims, I feel sorry for them. But I hate the propagation of bad ideas...ideas that lead ordinary people to hate and kill in the name of allah because they believe they are doing Gods will, are jihadists and martyrs and will go to heaven. The muslims are being exploited by the political islamists who are interested in things here on earth not in the life to come.

Islam, it seems, is just another belief system that is not based on reason (like consumerism/materialism). That's a pretty serious flaw in the foundation.

Well, let's see. . .

Islam takes a literal view of the Abrahamic myth. It advances a belief in magic and other scientifically absurd ideas.

Like what, give me examples.

Abrahamic myth? You mean when they burned him for a whole week and he lived?

Raul-7 wrote:

Like what, give me examples.

Abrahamic myth? You mean when they burned him for a whole week and he lived?

Muslims believe in the existence of a deity.

Who was burned for a week? I hadn't heard about that.

Then who do you think created you, is it not God?

Then who do you think created you, is it not God? Who's the one who sustains you day-in and day-out, if God wanted he could stop you from breath away. He made everything on this Earth perfect for everyday living, from the atmosphere, to our distance from the Sun, to the moon (which uncomparable to any other moon in our Galaxy), to all the cycles that take place on this Earth that our essential to our survival, such as the water cycle for example. Clearly this did not take place by mere luck.

Raul-7 wrote:

Then who do you think created you, is it not God? Who's the one who sustains you day-in and day-out, if God wanted he could stop you from breath away. He made everything on this Earth perfect for everyday living, from the atmosphere, to our distance from the Sun, to the moon (which uncomparable to any other moon in our Galaxy), to all the cycles that take place on this Earth that our essential to our survival, such as the water cycle for example. Clearly this did not take place by mere luck.

Not luck...but not design either.

If the earth was not the way it was, then life would have evolved differently and 'we' might be quite unrecognisable to 'us'.

The earth is the way it is because it was conducive to life on earth evolving and - through natural selection over billions of years- leading to man observing that the earth is good for man. Its called the anthropic principle. Similar reasoning can be applied to the cosmos. If the universe was not the way it was, then we would not be here to observe it.

[In what way is earth's moon "uncomparable" with other moons? And whilst I'm at it why do Muslims worship the moon?]

Homework for you Raul, find out about the weak and strong versions of the anthropic principle.

The earth is the way it is because it was conducive to life on earth evolving and - through natural selection over billions of years- leading to man observing that the earth is good for man. Its called the anthropic principle. Similar reasoning can be applied to the cosmos. If the universe was not the way it was, then we would not be here to observe it.

Mindonfire,

I think you mean the idea of democracy is being exploited. In a real democracy the people would not be so easily fooled.

Islam, it seems, is just another belief system that is not based on reason (like consumerism/materialism). That's a pretty serious flaw in the foundation.

echi wrote:

Mindonfire,

I think you mean the idea of democracy is being exploited. In a real democracy the people would not be so easily fooled.

What does democracy have to do with intellect?

echi wrote:

Islam, it seems, is just another belief system that is not based on reason (like consumerism/materialism). That's a pretty serious flaw in the foundation.

Why do you say that?

Mindonfire wrote:

echi wrote:

Mindonfire,

I think you mean the idea of democracy is being exploited. In a real democracy the people would not be so easily fooled.

What does democracy have to do with intellect?

echi wrote:

Islam, it seems, is just another belief system that is not based on reason (like consumerism/materialism). That's a pretty serious flaw in the foundation.

Why do you say that?

Why do you ask? Do you disagree?

echi wrote:

Mindonfire wrote:

echi wrote:

Mindonfire,

I think you mean the idea of democracy is being exploited. In a real democracy the people would not be so easily fooled.

What does democracy have to do with intellect?

echi wrote:

Islam, it seems, is just another belief system that is not based on reason (like consumerism/materialism). That's a pretty serious flaw in the foundation.

Why do you say that?

Why do you ask? Do you disagree?

Oh yes. Everyone and everything has a reason. It may not be your reason, but it is reason nonetheless. Islam has a lot of reason. Because you are unable to look at it objectively, you will not see it. The world is subjective, therefore if you wish to understand it, you must become an objective observer. > Immolations (Pos. and Neg.)

By the way, "What does democracy have to do with intellect?"