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When Does Life Begin?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:33 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
and aborting is not abandonment Deist?

I did'nt want to abandon my child so....I ended her?

oh and ask an abortion clinic worker if they have ever seen the remains of a human baby at work.

See if they say no....just zygotes and embryos!!


I never made a claim that abortion wasn't abandonment, but it's more honest than what pro-lifers present as the truth about adoption.

Tell me, how can you tell a woman to put her unborn up for adoption if their are countless already waiting for a home?

Personally, I hope she'd still concider, but the difference between you and I is that understand why she would choose not to. I'd offer support to the woman regardless of her choice.

T
K
O



I agree totally.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:40 am
Why would it make any difference whether a woman chooses adoption or abortion if the unborn was of no value?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:43 am
I can understand why a woman would not want to give the child up for adoption. It's her child.

Good question neo.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:47 am
neologist wrote:
Why would it make any difference whether a woman chooses adoption or abortion if the unborn was of no value?


The difference to the woman is about 9 months, a great deal of medical expences from birth (it's expencive too.)

the difference to some other child already waiting to be adopted is a greater chance at finding a home.

T
K
O
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:54 am
Bartikus: Wrong newborns have a much greater chance of being placed than an older child.


You really don't "get it" do you? The reason there are older orphans is because there is more supply than demand. If we keep disallowing abortion, those same babies will become old and not adoptable. That's not only a US phenomenon; it's world-wide. There are more orphans than there are people willing to adopt. Is this really news to you?
There are over three million orphans now in Iraq. Who will care for them?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:57 am
Supply and demand
Life and death
Paper or plastic

Ho hum
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:02 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: Wrong newborns have a much greater chance of being placed than an older child.


You really don't "get it" do you? The reason there are older orphans is because there is more supply than demand. If we keep disallowing abortion, those same babies will become old and not adoptable. That's not only a US phenomenon; it's world-wide. There are more orphans than there are people willing to adopt. Is this really news to you?
There are over three million orphans now in Iraq. Who will care for them?


I removed that quote as you can plainly see.

So less newborns available....more older children successfully adopted?

Do you have evidence a just a hunch?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:06 am
neologist wrote:
Supply and demand
Life and death
Paper or plastic

Ho hum

Do you think the theory of supply and demand are unrelated when it comes to the resources needed for children?

T
K
O
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:10 am
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:13 am
Bartikus wrote:
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon



There are millions of children without love; what do you propose we do to help them?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:14 am
Bartikus wrote:
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon


If all one needs is love, you better be sure there is enought to go around.

T
K
O
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:15 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon



There are millions of children without love; what do you propose we do to help them?


"All you need is love"
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:16 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon


If all one needs is love, you better be sure there is enought to go around.

T
K
O
If not, we hafta killya.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:16 am
All those children also needs shelter and food. Who is providing those necessities of life/living?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:16 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Supply and demand is related.

"All you need is love."
John Lennon


If all one needs is love, you better be sure there is enought to go around.

T
K
O


That's up to us is'nt it?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:17 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
All those children also needs shelter and food. Who is providing those necessities of life/living?


Love brings that and more....

Man does not live by bread alone.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:19 am
Bartikus wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
All those children also needs shelter and food. Who is providing those necessities of life/living?


Love brings that and more....

Man does not live by bread alone.


You must shift from an ideal world to the real world. Many children in this world are starving. Why hasn't "your" love brought that and more?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:22 am
Is the world what we make of it? I would open my home for another...how bout you?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:34 am
Perhaps it is time to seriously consider Jonathan Swift:

A Modest Proposal
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 11:52 am
Bartikus wrote:
Is the world what we make of it? I would open my home for another...how bout you?


Been there, done that! Even had my nephew and my wife's niece live with us while they attended local universities: Stanford and Santa Clara University.
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