When Does Life Begin?

TKO wrote about rl-

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You are a clown.

That is untrue. She is trying to bring some dignity back into the world.

Have you never read Mailer on planned parenthood TKO?

And Veblen said that the illegitimacy rate represented the triumph of the hormones over the proprietries.

How on earth can an intelligent kid, in this day and age, not wonder whether his Ma and Pa had not considered knocking him or her off before the bawling stage got underway when it would be illegal. Suppose you were scheduled to appear at a more inconvenient time.

And it isn't propaganda either. It's the bare assed truth.

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So what if TKO never existed in the first place. You cannot miss what was never there.

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spendi, Hormones is all part of nature so that animals reproduce. In other words, natural.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi, Hormones is all part of nature so that animals reproduce. In other words, natural.

And your point?

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spendius wrote:

TKO wrote about rl-

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You are a clown.

That is untrue. She is trying to bring some dignity back into the world.

Have you never read Mailer on planned parenthood TKO?

And Veblen said that the illegitimacy rate represented the triumph of the hormones over the proprietries.

How on earth can an intelligent kid, in this day and age, not wonder whether his Ma and Pa had not considered knocking him or her off before the bawling stage got underway when it would be illegal. Suppose you were scheduled to appear at a more inconvenient time.

And it isn't propaganda either. It's the bare assed truth.

I've been a wellness educator for the last 9 years of my life. I've read plenty about PP. I could care less about PP, for that matter. PP isn't the sole face of the Pro-choice crowd. I personally think abortions should happen in hospitals.

No "dignity" is gained by the pro-life arguement. Quite the opposite actually. Take a woman, criminalize her for not being in a good position to have a child (which in itself is a struggle with keeping one's dignity in our culture), then throw her in jail. Better yet, find a 17 year old who is terrified out of her ******* mind and shout "murderer" at her as she enters a clinic. Real dignified.

Spendius, answer me this: Do you think all women who have abortions are sadists? What about doctors that perform abortions, are they sadists? Why does the Anti-choice crowd think these people are insincere?

Lastly, nobody's answered my challenge about the societal or cultural significance of abortion.

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Chumly wrote:

You cannot miss what was never there.

What a ludicrous defense.

If you inherited property, but were unaware of it; and if I stole it, is it of no consequence due to your being unaware?

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baddog1 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
spendi, Hormones is all part of nature so that animals reproduce. In other words, natural.

And your point?

You expect one?

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real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:
You cannot miss what was never there.

What a ludicrous defense.

If you inherited property, but were unaware of it; and if I stole it, is it of no consequence due to your being unaware?

I never had the property to inherit in the first place so your analogy is false.

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I was responding to spendi's: How on earth can an intelligent kid, in this day and age, not wonder whether his Ma and Pa had not considered knocking him or her off before the bawling stage got underway when it would be illegal. Suppose you were scheduled to appear at a more inconvenient time.

And it isn't propaganda either. It's the bare assed truth.

You see, spendi is expounding on something that doesn't say much of anything. His off the wall comment about "intelligent kid" and "his Ma and Pa had not considered knocking him or her off" is so much garbage; it's happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future, and it has absolutely nothing to do with "intelliget kid." What, exactly did he contribute to this topic?

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Chumly wrote:

real life wrote:
Chumly wrote:
You cannot miss what was never there.

What a ludicrous defense.

If you inherited property, but were unaware of it; and if I stole it, is it of no consequence due to your being unaware?
I never had the property to inherit in the first place so your analogy is false.

Both pro-life and pro-abortion folks agree that the unborn 'is' there.

To deny it is ridiculous.

What pro-aborts question is the value of the unborn, not it's existence.

Is the unborn a living human being, i.e. should it's survival be valued the same as any other living human being ?

That is the issue.

Clear the fog out of your head and quit pretending the unborn doesn't exist.

So the analogy is valid.

The inheritance is gone, destroyed.

The question: did it have any value?

Do you have any evidence that the unborn is NOT a living human being?

(Hint: If it is not living, is it dead? And if it is not human, of what species is it?)

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Of course it's there; you wouldn't be having an abortion if it weren't.

Is it a human being, though? Well, it's a clump of cells that are human as opposed to another species, but is it a life yet and does it have value? That is the question.

I don't have the answer to that and I probably never will.

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Mame wrote:

Of course it's there; you wouldn't be having an abortion if it weren't.

Is it a human being, though? Well, it's a clump of cells that are human as opposed to another species, but is it a life yet and does it have value? That is the question.

I don't have the answer to that and I probably never will.

Mame:

http://www.michaelclancy.com/

Does this help?

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No, because I'm talking about a clump of cells, not a foetus.

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real life wrote:

If you inherited property, but were unaware of it; and if I stole it, is it of no consequence due to your being unaware?

I never had the property to inherit in the first place so your analogy is false. A seed is not a tree.

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Chum you beat me to the punch. A seed is not a tree, but anti-choice folk are still lining up to catch ripe apples.

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Mame wrote:

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Is it a human being, though? Well, it's a clump of cells that are human as opposed to another species, but is it a life yet and does it have value? That is the question.

I don't have the answer to that and I probably never will.

a majority of abortions are done at seven weeks and later. by then a baby in the womb has a heart beat. it's more than a clump of cells.

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kate4christ03 wrote:

Mame wrote:

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Is it a human being, though? Well, it's a clump of cells that are human as opposed to another species, but is it a life yet and does it have value? That is the question.

I don't have the answer to that and I probably never will.

a majority of abortions are done at seven weeks and later. by then a baby in the womb has a heart beat. it's more than a clump of cells.

Still pretty far from a tree still.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Chum you beat me to the punch. A seed is not a tree, but anti-choice folk are still lining up to catch ripe apples.

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Funny!

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Mame wrote:

Of course it's there; you wouldn't be having an abortion if it weren't.

Is it a human being, though? Well, it's a clump of cells that are human as opposed to another species, but is it a life yet and does it have value? That is the question.

I don't have the answer to that and I probably never will.

Mame, I see it as a subjective value. We must also equate that clump of cells to the living. If we are not capable of helping those already alive, especially the millions of orphaned children of this world, then that clump of cells has much less value in today's world - to some of us who can delineate the difference between cells and suffering humans. I see those who continue to advocate for the cell (right to lifers) over the mother as hypocrites of the worst kind. They don't care about the mother or the baby after it's born. They just want to impose their religious belief on a complete stranger who otherwise wouldn't be on their radar screen. They claim every life is precious. Bologne! They haven't done anything for those orphans.

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I see those who continue to advocate for the cell (right to lifers) over the mother as hypocrites of the worst kind. They don't care about the mother or the baby after it's born. They just want to impose their religious belief on a complete stranger who otherwise wouldn't be on their radar screen. They claim every life is precious. Bologne! They haven't done anything for those orphans.

while a majority of prolifers are religious, there are also atheists and agnostics that advocate for life of an unborn baby. it's not just about a religious belief. and i would be interested in some evidence that shows that the majority of prolifers care not for the mother or even the baby after its birth.

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