When Does Life Begin?

.....saying (implying) that they were operating outside of the regulations of "other" clinics. However, they were operating under the regulations that rightly applied to them at the time. ......

This is the problem. It's not telling them to "take a gamble" In case you don't understand how this all works, having sex WITHOUT the condom is a gamble. If a kid wants to have sex, he/she will - regardless of what the parent wants. It is better to at least give them the knowledge to protect themselves in that event than to keep them ignorant.

Having been a kid and been parented, I do understand how it works.

So you're saying you don't want education "forced" on your kids? That's nice.

Are you saying that teaching safe sex has caused the increases in pregnancy and disease?

You are always so quick to call everyone a "coward" whenever their view doesn't align with yours. I think it's far more cowardly to refuse to tell your kids the truth about life and consequences. That's not helping anyone.

You want to have your morality taught in government schools under the guise of 'health education'.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

.....saying (implying) that they were operating outside of the regulations of "other" clinics. However, they were operating under the regulations that rightly applied to them at the time. ......

Both statements are true.

And my point, which was apparently lost on you, is that it was improper.

That is why I commended the legislature and governor for correcting the inequity.

Your argument seems to imply that 'it SHOULD be legal if it currently IS legal'.

I was pointing out that just because something IS legal, doesn't mean that it SHOULD be legal.

No... my argument implies that perhaps you do not fully understand all of the qualifications in the situation. I'm sure I don't. I'm sure you don't either.

How it works is you raise your kids and let others raise theirs.

Get it?

I corrected your misleading statement, because the brain isn't 'not constructed', it is actually existing, yet still in development as it will be for a long period of time.

the number of teen pregnancies and STDs has dramatically increased in the years since folks adopted your approach:

And in case you don't understand how numbers work (and you apparently don't) , the number of teen pregnancies <snip> has dramatically increased in the years since folks adopted your approach:

Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 15-19 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy
rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing
body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1
• The teenage pregnancy rate among those who ever had intercourse declined 28% between
1990 and 2002.
• The teenage birthrate in 2002 was 30% lower than the peak rate of 61.8 births per 1,000
women, reached in 1991.
• Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state and in the
District of Columbia.
• By 2002, the teenage abortion rate had dropped by 50% from its peak in 1988.
• From 1986 to 2002, the proportion of teenage pregnancies ending in abortion declined
more than one-quarter from 46% to 34% of pregnancies among 15-19-year-olds.
• Among black women aged 15-19, the nationwide pregnancy rate fell by 40% between
1990 and 2002.
• Among white teenagers, it declined by 34% during the same time period.
• Among Hispanic teenagers, who may be of any race, the pregnancy rate increased
slightly from 1991-1992, but by 2002 was 19% lower than the 1990 rate.

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You want to have your morality taught in government schools under the guise of 'health education'.

No, teaching the use of condoms is not teaching morality.

Teaching that sex before marriage is the only option is a moral objective.

These government employees aren't instructing children on sex, they're instructing them on saftey.

Regardless of either of our opinions on this, the statistics show that abstinence-only programs are failling in that the VAST majority of teens are having sex.

real life wrote:

How it works is you raise your kids and let others raise theirs.

Get it?

I get that it would be fabulous if you and your family lived on an island and didn't have any dealings with other families.

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If you're part of a larger community, and your kids will have contact with that larger community, it behooves you to be sure your children have received some education in the area of sexual health and safety before they hit puberty.

Then by your own criteria, 'safe sex' programs also fail.

real life wrote:

And in case you don't understand how numbers work (and you apparently don't) , the number of teen pregnancies <snip> has dramatically increased in the years since folks adopted your approach:

not so much

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Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 15-19 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy
rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing
body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1
• The teenage pregnancy rate among those who ever had intercourse declined 28% between
1990 and 2002.
• The teenage birthrate in 2002 was 30% lower than the peak rate of 61.8 births per 1,000
women, reached in 1991.
• Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state and in the
District of Columbia.
• By 2002, the teenage abortion rate had dropped by 50% from its peak in 1988.
• From 1986 to 2002, the proportion of teenage pregnancies ending in abortion declined
more than one-quarter from 46% to 34% of pregnancies among 15-19-year-olds.
• Among black women aged 15-19, the nationwide pregnancy rate fell by 40% between
1990 and 2002.
• Among white teenagers, it declined by 34% during the same time period.
• Among Hispanic teenagers, who may be of any race, the pregnancy rate increased
slightly from 1991-1992, but by 2002 was 19% lower than the 1990 rate.

link with references

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Then by your own criteria, 'safe sex' programs also fail.

No. Check the studies.

See, now that is a red herring. We ARE talking about the year-to-year rates of present day.

Times have changes, and looking at life 50 years ago doesn't change or help. Generations ago, women didn't work either. They stayed at home with the kids. I think THAT is the problem. We shouldn't allow women to work because it is what really kept the rates down.

Silly.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

See, now that is a red herring. We ARE talking about the year-to-year rates of present day.

Times have changes, and looking at life 50 years ago doesn't change or help. Generations ago, women didn't work either. They stayed at home with the kids. I think THAT is the problem. We shouldn't allow women to work because it is what really kept the rates down.

Silly.

You try to tell me that year by year figures are the main issue.

Then you cite generational changes in culture and practice.

You made my point. Thanks.

The permissive practices of the current generation aren't going to be wiped away by a one year program.

They are long term attitudes and practices that will take years of consistency to address.

real life wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

See, now that is a red herring. We ARE talking about the year-to-year rates of present day.

Times have changes, and looking at life 50 years ago doesn't change or help. Generations ago, women didn't work either. They stayed at home with the kids. I think THAT is the problem. We shouldn't allow women to work because it is what really kept the rates down.

Silly.

You try to tell me that year by year figures are the main issue.

Then you cite generational changes in culture and practice.

You made my point. Thanks.

The permissive practices of the current generation aren't going to be wiped away by a one year program.

They are long term attitudes and practices that will take years of consistency to address.

Your "point" is beside the actual point. We cannot un-do history to the point where this situation was under control.