When Does Life Begin?

stereo i think that stem cell research is great as long as aborted babies aren't used.

eorl im not familiar with that verse can you post it please.

Brian Elroy McKinley is pretty amazing, it would be a lot of fun to have him post here.

They point to the more "politically-correct" translation they find in the New International Version of the Bible. There it translates the term "miscarriage" into "gives birth prematurely" (the actual words in Hebrew translate "she lose her offspring").

Others have looked to the actual Hebrew words, themselves, to try and refute these verses. They note that the word "yalad" is used in verse 22 to describe the untimely birth, and that yalad is also used in other places to describe a live birth. They then go on to say other places in the Bible use the words "nefel" and "shakol" to describe a miscarriage. Therefore, the argument goes, the baby in Exodus 21:22 must have been born alive. It's easy to see how a novice might make this mistake, but a closer look at the words in question reveal the flaw in this argument.

The word yalad is a verb that describes the process of something coming out - the departing of the fetus. Since it is describing the process, and not the result, it could be used to describe either a live birth or a miscarriage...

interesting site....heard about it on the O'Reilly Factor.
http://www.laadvocate.com/

eorl If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine exodus 21:22(kjv)

King James: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Revised Standard : When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
New International (NIV): If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
New English Translation (NET): And if men fight and hit a pregnant woman and her child is born prematurely, but there is no serious injury, he will surely be punished in accordance with what the woman's husband will put on him, and he will pay what the court decides.

What would be the point of describing the punishment for a crime against a women that caused her child to be born...normal and alive, without mentioning the far more common likelyhood of a crime that hurt a women and caused her to misscarry? Why would the husband be required to name the figure of compensation if a lovely bouncing baby was the result?

This is just the most outrageous proof I've yet seen to demonstrate how each and every word in the bible is twisted to suit some purpose or other.

interesting site....heard about it on the O'Reilly Factor.
http://www.laadvocate.com/

no they don't RL....because it may just show planned parenthood in a less than wonderful, caring light. you should to do a search on margaret sanger, the founder of planned parenthood. she was truly sick.

Sanger promoted the idea of "race hygiene" - meaning the human race, not the idea of race as ethnicity - through "negative eugenics," though her writings do not indicate that she believed that any particular (ethnic) race as a whole was more eugenic or dysgenic than any other, and she condemned the anti-Semitic Nazi program as "sad & horrible.