When Does Life Begin?

real life wrote:

So how can you say that ANYONE'S moral standard is incorrect or 'hypocritical' , if moral standards are individually determined?

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It's an easy concept: The relavist examines your standards and holds you to you to them.

You're not as wrong as you are false and invalid.

You can always be held to your own standards RL. Absolutist or otherwise.

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It's not our fault you have difficulty understanding that a cell has no brain, and therefore not a living, breathing, human.

All those babies out there are human; many are starving. Put your fanatic energies there where it'll make a difference.

Your religious learnings have destroyed your ability to think logically; that's not our fault either.

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real life has the ability to think logically, but will only use that to forward the propaganda, not to revise his own position.

That's why he refuses to answer the hypothetical fire question. (Who do save? Fridge full of embryos or a single 5 year old child?)

He knows the answer as well as we do, but knows he cannot give it without acknowledging the fatal flaw in his logic.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

.....a cell has no brain, and therefore not a living, breathing, human.

So when there are measurable brainwaves, is a living human being existing at that point, CI?

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No, it still is not a living, breathing human being.

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In some countries children are not named until they are a few years old, because they have such a small chance of surviving.

So when does life begin? When death is a real threat.

When is it a human being? When it's in my phonebook.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

real life wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
.....a cell has no brain, and therefore not a living, breathing, human.

So when there are measurable brainwaves, is a living human being existing at that point, CI?

No, it still is not a living, breathing human being

So, until a baby is born, i.e. has drawn breath outside the womb, you do not consider it a living human being?

Do you think it's ok to kill a baby a few minutes before birth?

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That's the only way I can acknowledge they are alive and breathing as a human.

What's still in the womb is between her and her doctor.

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So, if 'breathing' is the only difference between the baby a moment AFTER it is born, and the baby a few minutes BEFORE it is born.......

..........what happens when the baby is born, but not breathing?

Is it not a living human being? Is it OK to kill it?

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real life

In some countries doctors have stopped giving life support to babies born before the 25th week of pregnancy because research shows that nine in ten of these babies sustain such severe brain injuries as a result of the shortened incubation period that they will never function normally. So they do not interfere, they just let the babies die.

How do you relate to that?

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Cyracuz wrote:

real life

In some countries doctors have stopped giving life support to babies born before the 25th week of pregnancy because research shows that nine in ten of these babies sustain such severe brain injuries as a result of the shortened incubation period that they will never function normally. So they do not interfere, they just let the babies die.

How do you relate to that?

Yes, we have discussed this before.

So, if you found a car wreck with 10 victims, and somehow you KNEW that 9 of them would suffer irreparable damage, does it make sense to refuse to treat all 10?

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Speaking about "all 10," what about those babies that have been born and not receiving adequate food? You would still concentrate on the cell(without a brain)? DUH!

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real life

That's different. If all ten were dying, and nine of them were guaranteed to suffer irrepairable damage, I would concentrate on the one who was likely to pull through.
But if all I could do was to prolong misery for these nine folks I would have done nothing and let them die.

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Cyracuz wrote:

real life

That's different. If all ten were dying, and nine of them were guaranteed to suffer irrepairable damage, I would concentrate on the one who was likely to pull through.

And how would you know which one this was?

When 10 babies are born prematurely, how do you know which 9 are 'likely' to suffer irreversible damage?

Many diseases that were formerly fatal are now treatable or curable.

What if we had taken the 'let them die' route throughout medical history?

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real, We're not talking about "premature babies." We're talking your efforts to save the cell (no brain, no "soul") over all the living babies (doesn't matter if they're premature or not).

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Cyracuz wrote:

But if all I could do was to prolong misery for (this thread) I (should) have done nothing and let (it) die.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

real, We're not talking about "premature babies." We're talking your efforts to save the cell (no brain, no "soul") over all the living babies (doesn't matter if they're premature or not).

With you, we are discussing your statement that even when the unborn has measurable brain waves you still are in favor of killing him.

Until he is 'breathing', you don't consider him a living human being, right? So you support abortion right up to the point of birth, right?

How disgusting that you try to justify aborting an unborn child in the womb 9 months old moments before birth because he has yet drawn air into the lungs.

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Chumly
I didn't say that. I said something like it, but I didn't say that :wink:

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I've already told you guys NEXT WEEK.

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real life wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
real, We're not talking about "premature babies." We're talking your efforts to save the cell (no brain, no "soul") over all the living babies (doesn't matter if they're premature or not).

With you, we are discussing your statement that even when the unborn has measurable brain waves you still are in favor of killing him.

Until he is 'breathing', you don't consider him a living human being, right? So you support abortion right up to the point of birth, right?

How disgusting that you try to justify aborting an unborn child in the womb 9 months old moments before birth because he has yet drawn air into the lungs.

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real life wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not talking about oranges! I'm talking about apples!

With you were talking about fruit. Fruit are apples, so oranges are apples too because oranges are fruit.

Can you offer me any medical evidence that both oranges and apples have seeds?

I can't believe you think oranges don't have seeds!

Once you see that they have seeds you'll no longer be able to deny that oranges are apples too!

How disgusting.

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