When Does Life Begin?

To TKO & Barty:

I have the flu real bad and I have drifted off to other threads. Not that I don't pop in from time to time to see if you guys have solved the entire world's problems yet.

cicerone imposter wrote:

real life wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

.....how the unborn under law can be given the Constitutional protection of a right to life and under the law not be given it at the same time?

An inevitable legal showdown has been set up.

Either the unborn can have protection as a person under the law, or he cannot.

The current schizophrenia cannot remain.

If the unborn is not a person, then it cannot be the 'victim' of anything (assault and battery, murder, etc) .

real, You are wrong; there was a recent case in California where the man killed his pregnant wife, and he wes charged with double murder.

So if a man kills a pregnant woman, he can only be liable for one death , not two.

Radical pro-aborts agree that this is so, but they are often afraid to say so because they know there is little public support for their contorted position.

real, Can't you get anything right? Have you ever heard of Laci Peterson?

http://www.lifenews.com/nat1037b.html

How can Scott Peterson be charged with the murder of his 'son' Conner if Conner is not a person, since he had not yet been born?

You support abortion up till the time of birth, Imposter.

If Laci had killed (aborted) Conner , it would not have been illegal would it?

US laws do take into account those that are not US citizens but are on US soil.

JPB wrote:

Where does that say that a near-term woman can change her mind and have an abortion on demand?

Why could she not?

Independent of the state and federal laws, physicians who perform abortions are restricted by the regulations of their state's Medical Association. They typically do not permit abortions after 20 or 21 week gestation unless the woman's health or life are seriously at risk. Religious Tolerance

Intrepid may not have the rights granted to citizens, but he is protected under the statutes of criminal law where murder is defined. Abortion does not meet the criteria of murder. The Constitution grants the Legislative branch authority to pass laws which are then sometimes challenged in the courts. The Constitutionality of the laws are upheld or struck down along the way. There is nothing in your argument that equates Intrepid being murdered (a felony, as defined by Constitutionally valid criminal law) to abortion since abortion does not meet the definition of murder.

It is with dismay and disappointment that I read of my demise by murder, in a foreign land, in these threads.

Just admit you are for having it both ways right? Protection for the unborn person and the right to kill an otherwise considered unborn person for the convenience of a woman. True or no?

Call me a liar. Can you? You cannot!

Intrepid wrote:

It is with dismay and disappointment that I read of my demise by murder, in a foreign land, in these threads.

But, would it be murder under JPB's argument of the Constitution regarding the unborn? No but, obviously ye are a person.....we just don't know when that came to be i guess!?

Bartikus wrote:

Just admit you are for having it both ways right? Protection for the unborn person and the right to kill an otherwise considered unborn person for the convenience of a woman. True or no?

Call me a liar. Can you? You cannot!

No, because I don't know what you're talking about. How can I call you a liar when you're speaking gibberish?

real life wrote:

JPB wrote:

Where does that say that a near-term woman can change her mind and have an abortion on demand?

Why could she not?

Because medical ethics would prohibit it.

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Independent of the state and federal laws, physicians who perform abortions are restricted by the regulations of their state's Medical Association. They typically do not permit abortions after 20 or 21 week gestation unless the woman's health or life are seriously at risk. Religious Tolerance

JPB wrote:

real life wrote:

JPB wrote:

Where does that say that a near-term woman can change her mind and have an abortion on demand?

Why could she not?

Because medical ethics would prohibit it.

Quote:

Independent of the state and federal laws, physicians who perform abortions are restricted by the regulations of their state's Medical Association. They typically do not permit abortions after 20 or 21 week gestation unless the woman's health or life are seriously at risk. Religious Tolerance

If medical ethics do not prevent partial birth abortions from taking place, how would they prevent any other late term abortion?

real life wrote:

JPB wrote:

real life wrote:

JPB wrote:

Where does that say that a near-term woman can change her mind and have an abortion on demand?

Why could she not?

Because medical ethics would prohibit it.

Quote:

Independent of the state and federal laws, physicians who perform abortions are restricted by the regulations of their state's Medical Association. They typically do not permit abortions after 20 or 21 week gestation unless the woman's health or life are seriously at risk. Religious Tolerance

If medical ethics do not prevent partial birth abortions from taking place, how would they prevent any other late term abortion?

Where are partial birth abortions performed on the whim of the mother?

The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (Public Law 108-105, HR 760, S 3, 18 U.S. Code 1531)[1] (or "PBA Ban") is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls partial-birth abortion. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the term "partial-birth abortion" in the act pertains to a procedure that is sometimes called "intact dilation and extraction" by the medical community.[2] Under this law, "Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both." The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart. wiki