When Does Life Begin?

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

What, exactly, is the inconsistency whereof you speak oh learned one.

Either you don't know enough about IVF to understand why this is inconsistant, or you can't read my posts. You and your butbuddy here need to get your questions in order. Read my post where I directly answer this question (again).

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Does it have something to do with the fact that with IVF many embryos die in an effort to bring about one that survives?

Intrepid wrote:

What, exactly, is the inconsistency whereof you speak oh learned one.

Either you don't know enough about IVF to understand why this is inconsistant, or you can't read my posts. You and your butbuddy here need to get your questions in order. Read my post where I directly answer this question (again).

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Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

What, exactly, is the inconsistency whereof you speak oh learned one.

Either you don't know enough about IVF to understand why this is inconsistant, or you can't read my posts. You and your butbuddy here need to get your questions in order. Read my post where I directly answer this question (again).

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IVF starts with unfertilized eggs.... Just as a woman can have. They are then fertilized. Just as happens naturally to a couple. Some embryos are produced. Just as naturally occurs. Some may not survive. Just as some naturally do not. This is all part of the process of a woman becoming pregnant and the natural risks that are evident.

Abortion, on the other hand....is the willful killing of the embryo. And you say that I don't understand?

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

What, exactly, is the inconsistency whereof you speak oh learned one.

Either you don't know enough about IVF to understand why this is inconsistant, or you can't read my posts. You and your butbuddy here need to get your questions in order. Read my post where I directly answer this question (again).

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IVF starts with unfertilized eggs.... Just as a woman can have. They are then fertilized. Just as happens naturally to a couple. Some embryos are produced. Just as naturally occurs. Some may not survive. Just as some naturally do not. This is all part of the process of a woman becoming pregnant and the natural risks that are evident.

Abortion, on the other hand....is the willful killing of the embryo. And you say that I don't understand?

Just to be sure here before I give you the claws: Are you trying to reference nature here as your reasoning? Are you referrnig to natural law?

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I have a question TKO.

What kind of lifeform is present in a pregnant woman if not human?

*It sounds stupid to ask all but, this question can be difficult for some to clearly answer....*

The lifeform inside of of a pregnant woman is a human one.

(see how easy it is to directly answer questions?)

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At what point do you consider the lifeform to be a human life?

At conception.

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I know people such as Chumly wish to discuss the various stages of the development of the unborn, and his "seed is not a tree" analogy is very sound, but I don't really care. It's just not about that.

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

What, exactly, is the inconsistency whereof you speak oh learned one.

Either you don't know enough about IVF to understand why this is inconsistant, or you can't read my posts. You and your butbuddy here need to get your questions in order. Read my post where I directly answer this question (again).

T
K
O

IVF starts with unfertilized eggs.... Just as a woman can have. They are then fertilized. Just as happens naturally to a couple. Some embryos are produced. Just as naturally occurs. Some may not survive. Just as some naturally do not. This is all part of the process of a woman becoming pregnant and the natural risks that are evident.

Abortion, on the other hand....is the willful killing of the embryo. And you say that I don't understand?

Just to be sure here before I give you the claws: Are you trying to reference nature here as your reasoning? Are you referrnig to natural law?

T
K
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Do you disagree with what Intrepid wrote factually TKO?

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I have a question TKO.

What kind of lifeform is present in a pregnant woman if not human?

*It sounds stupid to ask all but, this question can be difficult for some to clearly answer....*

The lifeform inside of of a pregnant woman is a human one.

(see how easy it is to directly answer questions?)

T
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At what point do you consider the lifeform to be a human life?

At conception.

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I refer you to something that you said in post 2927794

TKO wrote:

Quote:

I know people such as Chumly wish to discuss the various stages of the development of the unborn, and his "seed is not a tree" analogy is very sound, but I don't really care. It's just not about that.

Which is it? A seed is not a tree or life begins at conception?

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I have a question TKO.

What kind of lifeform is present in a pregnant woman if not human?

*It sounds stupid to ask all but, this question can be difficult for some to clearly answer....*

The lifeform inside of of a pregnant woman is a human one.

(see how easy it is to directly answer questions?)

T
K
O

At what point do you consider the lifeform to be a human life?

At conception.

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O

I refer you to something that you said in post 2927794

TKO wrote:

Quote:

I know people such as Chumly wish to discuss the various stages of the development of the unborn, and his "seed is not a tree" analogy is very sound, but I don't really care. It's just not about that.

Which is it? A seed is not a tree or life begins at conception?

Do you think that these two are contrary?

If I asked you the same thing about a tree (as opposed to a human), would you not say at the point when the seed is fertilized?

Why are they not in agreement? A seed is not some other species than the tree.

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I have a question TKO.

What kind of lifeform is present in a pregnant woman if not human?

*It sounds stupid to ask all but, this question can be difficult for some to clearly answer....*

The lifeform inside of of a pregnant woman is a human one.

(see how easy it is to directly answer questions?)

T
K
O

At what point do you consider the lifeform to be a human life?

At conception.

T
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O

I refer you to something that you said in post 2927794

TKO wrote:

Quote:

I know people such as Chumly wish to discuss the various stages of the development of the unborn, and his "seed is not a tree" analogy is very sound, but I don't really care. It's just not about that.

Which is it? A seed is not a tree or life begins at conception?

Do you think that these two are contrary?

If I asked you the same thing about a tree (as opposed to a human), would you not say at the point when the seed is fertilized?

Why are they not in agreement? A seed is not some other species than the tree.

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Are you familiar with what a seed is?

I'm not sure what you're struggling with.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Are you familiar with what a seed is?

I'm not sure what you're struggling with.

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There you go again. Answering a question with a question. Have you forgotten the whole discussion...many, many, many pages back about seeds, skin cells etc. etc. The likening of them to zygotes etc. and them not being an adult version of their genetic makeup? Things to that effect.

Now you ask if Bartikus is not aware of what a seed is. You have more spots than a leopard.

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Are you familiar with what a seed is?

I'm not sure what you're struggling with.

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There you go again. Answering a question with a question. Have you forgotten the whole discussion...many, many, many pages back about seeds, skin cells etc. etc. The likening of them to zygotes etc. and them not being an adult version of their genetic makeup? Things to that effect.

Now you ask if Bartikus is not aware of what a seed is. You have more spots than a leopard.

What are you smoking!?

You have no meter for sarcasm.

Hint: Chumly doesn't think that a skin cell is equivilant to a human.

He is making fun of the logical path that many pro-lifers arguement for the significance of the embryo because of "potential life."

Have you ever picked an apple from a seed?

You just don't want to understand.

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I have a question TKO.

What kind of lifeform is present in a pregnant woman if not human?

*It sounds stupid to ask all but, this question can be difficult for some to clearly answer....*

The lifeform inside of of a pregnant woman is a human one.

(see how easy it is to directly answer questions?)

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At what point do you consider the lifeform to be a human life?

At conception.

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With IVF embryos do not die by the hands of others.....they just die.

With abortion embryos (human life) die by the hands of people.

Do you not see the difference?