When Does Life Begin?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Nah, it's easy to see with so much evidence from your own mouths/posts. You are radicals without any idea what life is all about. You want to impose your personal religious beliefs on people you don't even know, and your main thrust is the cell that doesn't have a brain. Just like you 'all.

You, sir, are talking out of your hat. You have no idea what you are talking about. How do I know that? Simple. I am not a radical. I certainly do know what life is all about. I have NEVER tried to impose my beliefs on anybody else. I have put my beliefs out there, yes. Have I tried to impose them on anybody? No. Have I disagreed with other posters? Yes. The cell that doesn't have a brain? Well, um, err... oh, never mind.

Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Nah, it's easy to see with so much evidence from your own mouths/posts. You are radicals without any idea what life is all about. You want to impose your personal religious beliefs on people you don't even know, and your main thrust is the cell that doesn't have a brain. Just like you 'all.

You, sir, are talking out of your hat. You have no idea what you are talking about. How do I know that? Simple. I am not a radical. I certainly do know what life is all about. I have NEVER tried to impose my beliefs on anybody else. I have put my beliefs out there, yes. Have I tried to impose them on anybody? No. Have I disagreed with other posters? Yes. The cell that doesn't have a brain? Well, um, err... oh, never mind.

How can anyone impose their religious beliefs on anyone merely by speaking to nuts like CI about what they believe?

How?

How CI? You trippin in a paper box or what?

A zebra with stripes is a zebra whether it's in a zoo or in the wild.

You afraid more people may become pro life as a result of our talks?

A seed is not a tree.

A potential human being is not a human being.

'Ol Barty-Pooper does not appear headed toward sainthood, but perhaps martyrdom is within his grasp.

I don't know much about Chimeras....apparently you know more.

Could I at least read up on them?

I don't murder sperms every day......you don't know what your talking about.

Bartikus wrote:

I don't know much about Chimeras....apparently you know more.

A chimera is any organism that has what scientists call mosaicism. The official definition is an organism that has two or more populations of genetically distinct cells that originated in different zygotes.

This means that if two human zygotes fuse together, you get a chimera.

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Could I at least read up on them?

The wikipedia article is sufficient enough for a starting point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29

Now according to your logic, two human lives fuse together to become one. So according to your logic, does that mean one is lost or both are lost? After all, if they hadn't fused together, they would have formed two different human beings with different personalities and experiences. They would have been two very different lives.

But when they are fused together, the one (or two) potential lives (according to your logic) is lost. One is lost for the benefit of the other or maybe both are lost for the benefit of a third new life.

Care to explain how you think your worldview fits the issue of a chimera or even identical twins? Or will you obfuscate for a few more pages? It looks kinda bad for your side if you continue to obfuscate on this issue.

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I don't murder sperms every day......you don't know what your talking about.

You do destroy sperms cells daily. Your testes don't know when to stop producing sperm cells, so they continuously do it. Obviously, that means older sperm cells have to be destroyed, or rather, they undergo apoptosis.

So I don't destroy with intent...which would be different. Murder is usually associated with humans (as the victim) with the premeditated intent (of a human) to kill.

No intent on the part of the mother is involved with a chimera's formation.(kinda like I don't intend my sperms to die...they just do)

Is the chimera human?

Bartikus wrote:

So I don't destroy with intent...which would be different. Murder is usually associated with humans (as the victim) with the premeditated intent (of a human) to kill.

No intent on the part of the mother is involved with a chimera's formation.(kinda like I don't intend my sperms to die...they just do)

It also requires intent with malice. Abortion in general does not fit this definition.

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Is the chimera human?

Only when its born. Now would you care to answer the question I proposed to you? Or will you avoid it like the coward you are? Is it because you cannot reconcile with the facts of chimeras and identical twins with your beliefs?

Bartikus wrote:

So I don't destroy with intent...which would be different. Murder is usually associated with humans (as the victim) with the premeditated intent (of a human) to kill.

No intent on the part of the mother is involved with a chimera's formation.(kinda like I don't intend my sperms to die...they just do)

It also requires intent with malice. Abortion in general does not fit this definition.

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Is the chimera human?

Only when its born. Now would you care to answer the question I proposed to you? Or will you avoid it like the coward you are? Is it because you cannot reconcile with the facts of chimeras and identical twins with your beliefs?

Any malice OR intent with my sperms? Nope. Then abortion more resembles it.

I already answered.

humans beget humans....and not because I say so or even because you agree!