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Making sense of porn to kids traumatised by it.

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 08:12 am
dlowan wrote:
LOTS of people do a similar job as I do. Prolly, they, like me, do not much discuss it much outside the world of others doing the same work.

I, having a cyber community, occasionally ask stuff from the world outside.

I am NOT special or heroic....I am just more open to you guys. Quit with the praise!!!!!!!!

Bunny,

There are lots of heroes in the world. You're our Bunny, but you're still a tough little Bunny to deal with this kind of stuff on a daily basis.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 09:15 am
dlowan wrote:

A MARSUPIAL take a LAGOMORPH down a peg or two?
You'd need a bigger brain for that........your ears are twice as big as your brain.


At least I got one you underground fuzzbucket.

Laughing
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 09:27 am
The thought that crossed my mind is to put it in terms of making healthy choices.

I guess kinda like this:

Some people make bad choices about what to put into their bodies: junk food, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. and it changes the way their body works. By the same token some people put unhealthy things in their brains and it changes the way they think about things.

Now you're just a kid and you haven't had a lot of control over the things you're given to eat or the things that you are given to see. Just like some kinds of food are good and other's not, some movies and pictures are fun and others are not, some movies are meant for kids and others are not. We call movies like the ones you were shown pornography and it isn't meant for kids just like alcohol and cigarettes aren't meant for kids.

In most families those things are considered to be really yukky. But some people like to drink and some people like to smoke and some people like to watch pornography because it makes them feel a certain way but I'm not really worried about them - how does it make you feel?

Does that make sense?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 09:33 am
Boomer- I have been wanting to respond to dlowan's thread, but for the life of me, could not think of anything helpful to say. Although I was never traumatized by porn as a kid, I WAS traumatized by something that I saw in a movie, that haunted me for years. So I know what a touchy, important subject it is, that really needs to be addressed.

Well, you have done it. I think that your "take" on the subject is wonderful!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 09:42 am
Me too!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 09:55 am
Three.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 11:18 am
Thank you!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 01:16 pm
Count me as four.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 01:31 pm
Five.

Some people are just natural born mothers.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:04 pm
boomerang wrote:
The thought that crossed my mind is to put it in terms of making healthy choices.

I guess kinda like this:

Some people make bad choices about what to put into their bodies: junk food, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. and it changes the way their body works. By the same token some people put unhealthy things in their brains and it changes the way they think about things.

Now you're just a kid and you haven't had a lot of control over the things you're given to eat or the things that you are given to see. Just like some kinds of food are good and other's not, some movies and pictures are fun and others are not, some movies are meant for kids and others are not. We call movies like the ones you were shown pornography and it isn't meant for kids just like alcohol and cigarettes aren't meant for kids.

In most families those things are considered to be really yukky. But some people like to drink and some people like to smoke and some people like to watch pornography because it makes them feel a certain way but I'm not really worried about them - how does it make you feel?

Does that make sense?



That's nice for the kids where it was shown by outsiders, Boomer.....but mainly it is by daddies...either by carelessness, reckless neglect, or some warped desire to "make a man" of their wee kidlet. So, while I certainly do the "not meant for kids" thing I can't really do the "likes to put yukky stuff in their body" thing...though I certainly FEEL it!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:07 pm
Well, what about a short abbreviated version of what Boom said..


something like

" Im sorry you were shown ( or you found ) that. It is something that is not ment for young people like you . How did it make you feel ? "

and let them be the ones to dictate where it goes from there?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:22 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
Well, what about a short abbreviated version of what Boom said..


something like

" Im sorry you were shown ( or you found ) that. It is something that is not ment for young people like you . How did it make you feel ? "

and let them be the ones to dictate where it goes from there?



It is so hard to make these questions clear!


I think it is because I somehow assume that you guys know I am doing all the other therapeutic things, and that these very specific questions are really about one tiny piece of the picture that is very, very specific and exclusive.

Then, when you guys give very reasonable suggestions about other parts of the process I am forever saying "No, that's not it.", which must get very frustrating and feel "yes butty".


Thing is, I am, of course, dealing with the general effect on each specific kid.....some kids that is fine for, a few really need to know more about why someone they love, or ANY adult, (which means they have to integrate this part of adulthood, somehow, into their view of what growng up is...and what adults, including, mebbe, their own mum and dad and grandparents etc are way before they are developmentally ready, and it TERRIFIES them) is watching stuff they find so utterly traumatising. It is a real psychic shock to some kids. So, for those kids who need to find a way to deal with this, I have to find an explanation that is not utterly condemning of someone they love, and too horriffic about adulthood in general, and makes them able to process the appeal of what they find utterly terrifying and wounding material in a way that makes enough sense for now.

Some kids are happy with a "you won't be able to get this for a few years, don't worry, let's help you feel better", the more intelligent ones are often not.


But, believe me, I really am dealing with the feelings and all that with them...it is just this one very specific thing I am asking if anyone has better ideas than I on.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:28 pm
I understand.

Can you give us a hypothetical question these kids might ask? Like, why does daddy like to watch it? Or why did he show it to me? Are those somewhat close?
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:40 pm
I absolutly understand.

And I get it that certain kids are ok with simple answers, yet others want to know more about the sexual aspect of what they saw then their little minds can even comprehend.

Not to mention, YOUR answer has to , as you said, dispell their fear of the adults in thier lives.

I dont know what I would suggest.

These children should never, ever be put in this situation.

Shame on the adults in thier lives.
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 11:19 pm
dlowan wrote:
. . .this is common work, and I am just keen to check for ideas re very specific issues.


I figgered you wouldn't really want the accolades, dlowan, and I should have kept quiet -- and I certainly don't want to take your thread off track (just pretend this post isn't here!). I really meant it though, and I have a thing about not holding back on telling people positive things...sorry if it was out of place! Smile




[size=8]I'm still sending electronic hug vibes out, though, you can't stop me... [/size]
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 12:07 am
Rollercoasters.

At first it seems like a death defying feat to go down the slide at the park.
soon that feels pretty tame and you want to go on the "Mad mouse" at the Royal Adelaide Show pretty soon it feels ordinary to do that and some of your friends dare you to go on the tower of terror at Dreamworld. they say betcha wont betcha cant............................. etc etc.

Some adults are like that with sex stuff.

But the real story is there are all these people like inspectors and mechanics, and engineers to keep rollercoasters safe for everyone to use. With sex stuff there arn't any of those kind of people and we have to know inside our heads when its not safe and good for us personally.

Some of the bigger kids and/or grown ups go on the (insert name of huge big enormouse rollercoaster) and thats ok for them as long as they dont make you go on it cause your only up to going down the slide at the park.



dlowan, maybe there are ideas you can use from the above.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2006 03:11 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I understand.

Can you give us a hypothetical question these kids might ask? Like, why does daddy like to watch it? Or why did he show it to me? Are those somewhat close?



Hmmm...yes...perhaps not voiced, but those are the questions....also "Is this what being an adult is...adults are like THIS? THIS is what the world is about?"

Remember that, sadly, even the tiniest kids reflect our weird attitude to sex and bodies....they think sex is very filthy and "rude"..so here is an adult they look up to looking at really rude things....they feel intense shame and shock.

I actually do not want to increase this sense of "rudeness" and wrongness about what they have seen (unless it's with kids kids) ..it's like the question I asked earlier about how to explain that they can't have sex without buying into the idea of sex being dirty and wrong.


Actually, your question made me think of a kid I saw years ago, who had been sexually abused by her dad. She had a lot of help as a wee kidlet, but it always needs reworking at puberty, so she came along again.


We had a long talk with her and her mum about stuff, and the flashbacks and nightmares and all went away again...but she came in again because she wanted to ask me a couple of questions.


So...she and mum came in and sat down, and this kid (AND her mum, god help me) looked at me with utter, utter trust. She was SURE I would have the answers for her. She had them written down, and had a pen and paper for taking the answers down so she would remember.


She had three questions.

(Sorry for the assumption, any men reading, but I am saying exactly what she said)


1. Why do men sexually abuse kids?

2. Why did he choose me? (She had a sister)

3. Why wasn't he punished?

(The Crown decided not to go ahead and prosecute because she had been too little...they knew from experience how seldom little kids get believed "beyond reasonable doubt"..which is not unreasonable, but hard to explain to kids.)




Kids ask the big questions.



I just wish I had better answers than I have.


shewolfnm wrote:
I absolutly understand.

And I get it that certain kids are ok with simple answers, yet others want to know more about the sexual aspect of what they saw then their little minds can even comprehend.

Not to mention, YOUR answer has to , as you said, dispell their fear of the adults in thier lives.

I dont know what I would suggest.

These children should never, ever be put in this situation.

Shame on the adults in thier lives.


Sigh....yeppers. But...the adults have usually been treated appallingly, too, and really have no damned idea of how wrong what they are doing is, you know.


dadpad wrote:
Rollercoasters.

At first it seems like a death defying feat to go down the slide at the park.
soon that feels pretty tame and you want to go on the "Mad mouse" at the Royal Adelaide Show pretty soon it feels ordinary to do that and some of your friends dare you to go on the tower of terror at Dreamworld. they say betcha wont betcha cant............................. etc etc.

Some adults are like that with sex stuff.

But the real story is there are all these people like inspectors and mechanics, and engineers to keep rollercoasters safe for everyone to use. With sex stuff there arn't any of those kind of people and we have to know inside our heads when its not safe and good for us personally.

Some of the bigger kids and/or grown ups go on the (insert name of huge big enormouse rollercoaster) and thats ok for them as long as they dont make you go on it cause your only up to going down the slide at the park.



dlowan, maybe there are ideas you can use from the above.



Oy, I like that. It's like the scary film one, but has the thing they they KNOW they have to be so big to go on the really thrilling rides. I can have that arrow in my li'l quiver. Thankee!


cyphercat wrote:
dlowan wrote:
. . .this is common work, and I am just keen to check for ideas re very specific issues.


I figgered you wouldn't really want the accolades, dlowan, and I should have kept quiet -- and I certainly don't want to take your thread off track (just pretend this post isn't here!). I really meant it though, and I have a thing about not holding back on telling people positive things...sorry if it was out of place! Smile




[size=8]I'm still sending electronic hug vibes out, though, you can't stop me... [/size]


Lol! No worries...but stop the electrocution, eh?


:wink:
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2006 08:26 am
Pleased to be of assistance.............I think

Wish I didn't have to be.


Crying or Very sad
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2006 10:18 am
It might be helpful to explain that sex is just a small part of adulthood, and not everyone enjoys watching those things, and they certainly have a choice when they become adults whether they want to watch these things.

I have a hard time coming up with any answers to "why did he show it to me" that aren't negative towards the adult. I'll think on it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2006 03:02 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
It might be helpful to explain that sex is just a small part of adulthood, and not everyone enjoys watching those things, and they certainly have a choice when they become adults whether they want to watch these things.

I have a hard time coming up with any answers to "why did he show it to me" that aren't negative towards the adult. I'll think on it.


Oh, I am ok with why did he show it to me.

If it is a loved adult, it'll be along the lines of "He didn't understand/think well enough to know how bad it would make you feel. He made a mistake" kind of thing.
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