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Should kids be taught combat in schools

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:34 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
Take your meds, David, and go lie down.
You're overexcited this morning. There's a good boy.

See if u can find a pill that will give u even
the slightest trace of bravery.
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:39 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Montana wrote:
My turn to roll the eyes Rolling Eyes

U think its BETTER just to bury the kids
and FORGET about self defense.

I DON 'T.


I think you're nuts, is what I think, David!
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:56 am
C'mon, Montana - don't pull punches, say what you reallyb think! Laughing
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:59 am
Ok, I'll try Laughing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 08:11 am
Montana wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Montana wrote:
My turn to roll the eyes Rolling Eyes

U think its BETTER just to bury the kids
and FORGET about self defense.

I DON 'T.


I think you're nuts, is what I think, David!

Regardless of my state of well being,
the kids and everyone else
have the RIGHT to defend themselves.

Teachers' failure to teach them that
is the grossest negligence,
in that knowledge of geografy is of no use,
if thay have been buried UNDER it,
because of the ministrations of a homicidal maniac.

David
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 08:14 am
What, Montana? You don't agree that schoolkids ought to wear backpacks full of hand grenades, instead of books? I thought every responsible adult would want them to carry a shiv and learn how to gouge out a man's eyes. What; no tear gas, or socks full of nickles?
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 08:39 am
Waitaminute, now - I can't rule out the need for those nickel-filled socks...
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 09:38 am
Why am I not surprised that this is happening in Texas and that OSD is here waving his little flag?

The fact is that, despite all the media hype, schools are still among the safest places for kids. Perhaps because of that same media hype, we have this Chicken Little approach to the straw man issue of school safety.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:15 pm
ossobuco wrote:
I surely agree with CJane on gun control.


On gearing up children, done of course through centuries, for combat, I'd rather not.


U can be sure
that the CRIMINAL PREDATORS
agree with gun control with much greater INTENSITY
than u do, in that their LIVES depend on
their victims being as helpless as YOU wud render them.
David
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:19 pm
Where the hell are the men with the butterfly nets when we need 'em?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:23 pm
They will be right back... They went to get a bigger net.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:39 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
I see no harm in teaching children useful techniques of self-defense.
I do see a problem in encouraging kids to rush an armed adult, however.

If he is there to MURDER them,
then thay shud NOT disturb the circumstances
that he expects,
and upon which he depends, according to u ?

However,
I will admit that the students are in an unfair
positiion if thay are unarmed.
Ideally, the school shud qualify them on .38 revolvers
( with hollowpointed slugs )
and thay shud be provided therewith by their parents.
David


The more I read, the more I am convinced of a prevailing lunacy. Children go to school to learn under the guidance and protection of the school staff. The thought of teaching children such tactics seems totally out of place.

I am happy to see that most of the posters on this thread have the sense and intelligence to see the whole picture.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Intrepid2/srrevol2.gif

Yes, I am sure that Wild Bill would be proud of Calamity Jane and the others.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:51 pm
I don't know why I bother with you, David, why I allow myself to get drawn into these silly conversations. I've said it once, but, just to cover all bases, I'll say it again:

To teach kids self-defense measures is reasonable and worthwhile. I have no objection to teaching them marksmanship and firearm safety at an appropriate age (say, 14 and up?). But to suggest that a child who has not yet developed sound judgement about when it is appropriate or inappropriate to use deadly force as a form of self defense is not only self-defeating, it is criminal. I say self-defeating because now you are certainly running the risk of more shootouts between teenagers and -- in your scheme -- even pre-teens where in the past a simple school-yard scuffle would have sufficed. My objection to kids trying to rush an armed adult has the same ground -- the child's lack of good judgement. If you or I were faced with an armed adversary, we could probably make a pretty good judgement as to how to try and disarm him/her. (I'm giving you a lot of credit here, you'll notice. I'm not at all sure if I'm right in this.) We would be able to estimate at just what point it is safer to attack than to stand still as a target. I submit that persons of a certain age (under 18 or so) are not capable of making this fine distinction. They are simply too immature.

For the record, I am a gun-owner and no pacifist. As I recall, though, I was 14 or thereabouts before I was allowed to even handle a firearm, and then only under the strictest adult supervision. Good thing, too. I probably would have shot my own foot off without that supervision. I have served in the armed forces of the United States and, as an officer, have been responsible for training men in the use of all sorts of bang-bangs. I wouldn't hand a loaded gun to a pre-teen boy or girl any more than I would allow a suckling infant to play with a sharp scalpel.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:58 pm
That's why I came into this fray - to make a point that Merry just made. Teach them self-defense. Teach them conflict reslution. Teach them to be kinder and more empathic with their peers and communities. Do not teach them how to fight - it will instill fear and anxiety as well as provide food for brawls.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:58 pm
Exactly
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:01 pm
From what I can get out of the article about this school, OmSigDAVID, this school is not advocating shooting armed assailants back with guns, but simply to hit them with whatever is at hand and bring them down with their body weight. It's an insane idea. At least hiding under a desk you stand a much better chance of coming out of it alive than rushing up to a guy (or girl,whatever) with a gun trying to tackle them down.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 08:51 pm
Yeah. They're basically being taught to be lemmings. The ones who rush first are more likely to be killed than if they stayed put, but they might make the landing softer for the rest. :-?

NOT what I want my daughter taught.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 09:31 pm
I wonder if those who advocate such things have children of their own.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 09:45 pm
I know how I'd bet, if I were a betting man...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 10:01 pm
Intrepid wrote:
I wonder if those who advocate such things have children of their own.


Likely if they had any, they are now dead of gunshot wounds.
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